Steelers must stop the Patriots!!!!! [Archive] - Club Stogie Cigar Discussion Forum

Quint

12-04-2007, 09:22 AM

No predictions. I thought that the Eagles game would have put enough of a scare into the Pats so they would take the Ravens seriously. As I said elsewhere; I can only hope that the Patriots team that everyone was complaining about running up the score is the one that shows up for this game. If not, they're going to have a tough night.

No team can compete at the top of its game every game all year long. The Pats are going through a little slump while other teams are getting up for them as if it were their Super Bowl and they still manage to win. Hopefully the Steelers will be a team the Pats really want to get up for if so it will be a long night for the Steelers.

hornitosmonster

12-04-2007, 09:35 AM

The Pats are in a little slump. They might lose to the Steelers. They better get it out of their system now or they will lose in the playoffs.
And then the Cowboys will have to beat the Steelers or Colts in the Superbowl.

RPB67

12-04-2007, 04:34 PM

This thread is so useless.'

The Patriots ...............will crush them ! :ss

Puffy69

12-04-2007, 04:46 PM

This thread is so useless.'

The Patriots ...............will crush them ! :ss

I doubt it..The way the Pats have been playing and their defense isnt that impressive. If it werent for your good offense they would be losing many games but now teams have figured out how to stop that even..I doubt the pats will be running the score up as much as they have been in the past although after this game, you have nobody else to play..I say the Steelers will dominate even. they just have to score some points but the Pats wont score more than 14 as long as the Steelers D plays their game...

The Pats are in a little slump. They might lose to the Steelers. They better get it out of their system now or they will lose in the playoffs.
And then the Cowboys will have to beat the Steelers or Colts in the Superbowl.
:tpd: I would love to see The Boys play Steelers..

ResIpsa

12-04-2007, 04:56 PM

The Pats are old and getting worn down as the season goes on. Don't know if the Steelers will win or not, but to almost lose to two sub 500 teams should be a warning sign to the Patriots.

vintagejc

12-04-2007, 05:17 PM

I'm hoping they get beat by anybody. Every week, my favorite team is whoever is playing the Pats. It's not because I'm a hater, but us Dolphin fans have no other team to cheer for.

RPB67

12-04-2007, 05:20 PM

I doubt it..The way the Pats have been playing and their defense isnt that impressive. If it werent for your good offense they would be losing many games but now teams have figured out how to stop that even..I doubt the pats will be running the score up as much as they have been in the past although after this game, you have nobody else to play..I say the Steelers will dominate even. they just have to score some points but the Pats wont score more than 14 as long as the Steelers D plays their game...

Does it realy matter how many points they score when they win. ?

Patriots will definately beat them. I think most teams would like the best offence in the league. I guess you cant have both best offence and defence as well.

They are still undefeated and in first and have clinched their division.

RPB67

12-04-2007, 05:21 PM

The Pats are old and getting worn down as the season goes on. Don't know if the Steelers will win or not, but to almost lose to two sub 500 teams should be a warning sign to the Patriots.

Older and smarter...........still undefeated and in first. :D

Puffy69

12-04-2007, 05:52 PM

Does it realy matter how many points they score when they win. ?

Patriots will definately beat them. I think most teams would like the best offence in the league. I guess you cant have both best offence and defence as well.

They are still undefeated and in first and have clinched their division.

yeah.but under the circumstances they should have lost last night..but your right.the amount of points doesnt matter, only the W.

RPB67

12-04-2007, 05:57 PM

yeah.but under the circumstances they should have lost last night..but your right.the amount of points doesnt matter, only the W.

Should have.........are you saying the NFL has crooked REFs ??

Come on ..........they won and won fair and square. Baltimore are cry babies.

taltos

12-04-2007, 06:53 PM

crook
Come on ..........they won and won fair and square. Baltimore are cry babies.I guess that Baltimore and the Colts still have some kind of linkage.:chk:chk

snkbyt

12-04-2007, 06:58 PM

This has gone on long enough!!!! The Eagles almost had them, The Ravens had them beat!!!! Come on STEELERS!!!! BRING IT!!!!!!:mn

BEAT THESE GUYS PLEASE!!!!!
you must be talking "Fantasy Football" or is this game being played on Fantasy Island?

ResIpsa

12-04-2007, 07:36 PM

Should have.........are you saying the NFL has crooked REFs ??

Come on ..........they won and won fair and square. Baltimore are cry babies.

I guess that Baltimore and the Colts still have some kind of linkage.:chk:chkYou guys take the cake, :r.

Last year after the Colts beat the Pats first in the regular season, then in the Championship game, all we heard was "waaahhhhh!!!" Refs love the Colts!!! "wahhhh!!! Colts payed off the refs!!!!"

then again after this year game, more whining and crying about the refs.......

wahhhh!!!! waahhhh!!! wahhh!!!!

Now you've got the stones to call another team cry babies??? You're kidding right????:D:r

mikey202

12-04-2007, 08:13 PM

you must be talking "Fantasy Football" or is this game being played on Fantasy Island?

My fantasy.......Polamalu on a delayed safety blitz, blind-side sack, Brady carried of the field. Belichick's head explodes, Bruschi and Seau crying and holding each other. Wes Welker curled up in a fetal position, sucking his thumb and Randy Moss ends it all by drowning himself in the Gatoraid dispenser.
A great wail and gnashing of teeth comes from Foxboro," What will we do now? What will we do now?" Loud enough to be heard in the Goodyear blimp flying over the stadium. :ss

MikeyC

12-04-2007, 08:35 PM

You guys take the cake, :r.

Last year after the Colts beat the Pats first in the regular season, then in the Championship game, all we heard was "waaahhhhh!!!" Refs love the Colts!!! "wahhhh!!! Colts payed off the refs!!!!"

then again after this year game, more whining and crying about the refs.......

wahhhh!!!! waahhhh!!! wahhh!!!!

Now you've got the stones to call another team cry babies??? You're kidding right????:D:r
The only difference is that calls in favor of the Colts are BAD calls and calls in favor of the Pats are GOOD calls. See the difference?? :D

Seriously though, last night there were plenty of bad calls or non-calls that worked in favor of both teams last night. Personally, I feel that the Pats receivers have been getting mugged way past 5 yards on almost every play for the last three weeks. IMO the refs need to call more defensive holding and PI penalties than they have been. There was DENIFITELY offensive PI on the final play of last night's game that went uncalled not that it mattered in the end. Lots of penalties go uncalled though. It's part of the game.

PadronMe

12-04-2007, 11:15 PM

I'm hoping they get beat by anybody. Every week, my favorite team is whoever is playing the Pats. It's not because I'm a hater, but us Dolphin fans have no other team to cheer for.

Thats the only reason I want it to continue. MNF is bad enough without Shula with a mike. I want Griese and the gang's Champagne to go flat.

hornitosmonster

12-04-2007, 11:37 PM

I'm really feeling a Cowboys vs. Pitt Superbowl.

The Pats are great but something tells me they won't be there in the end. They are not the first team to start off this good. I think they fall like the 05 Colts did

1984 Miami Dolphins 11-0 Lost 16-38 to the 49ers in the Super Bowl
1985 Chicago Bears 12-0 Beat the Patriots 46-10 in the Super Bowl
1991 Washington Redskins 11-0 Beat the Bills 37-24 in the Super Bowl
1998 Denver Broncos 13-0 Beat the Falcons 34-19 in the Super Bowl
2005 Indianapolis Colts 13-0 Lost to the Steelers 18-21 in the AFC Divisional Playoffs

Alpedhuez55

12-05-2007, 12:02 AM

I'm hoping they get beat by anybody. Every week, my favorite team is whoever is playing the Pats. It's not because I'm a hater, but us Dolphin fans have no other team to cheer for.

Actually, with all the close games they have been in this season, a little improvement and the Fourth place schedule could get them to around 500 next year.

If Ricky Williams has anything left, and can stay off the grass, that will give a running game. They need to get a good run stopper on the D-Line which you can get as a free agent. Unless Tim Tebow comes out early, trade the #1 for a low to mid first rounder packaged with with other picks. That should be good for some Offensive line help, a stud receiver, and an outside linebacker.

It can be done. I know they are 0-12 but they have some great players, especially on defense. A big turnaround is a possibility.

taltos

12-05-2007, 06:16 AM

My fantasy.......Polamalu on a delayed safety blitz, blind-side sack, Brady carried of the field. Belichick's head explodes, Bruschi and Seau crying and holding each other. Wes Welker curled up in a fetal position, sucking his thumb and Randy Moss ends it all by drowning himself in the Gatoraid dispenser.
A great wail and gnashing of teeth comes from Foxboro," What will we do now? What will we do now?" Loud enough to be heard in the Goodyear blimp flying over the stadium. :ssWhy don't we make an agreement to not cheer for injuries to another team's players.

ATLHARP

12-05-2007, 06:28 AM

Should have.........are you saying the NFL has crooked REFs ??

Come on ..........they won and won fair and square. Baltimore are cry babies.

Indeed Baltimore is full of crybabies,They lost that game because of the interceptions and penalties.

I look forward to this game. I think the Pats will probably pull out the win, but I think the Steelers are gonna hurt'em though. I hope the Steelers don't cave and just let Brady and co. walk all over them.

ATL

Quint

12-05-2007, 11:32 AM

You guys take the cake, :r.

Last year after the Colts beat the Pats first in the regular season, then in the Championship game, all we heard was "waaahhhhh!!!" Refs love the Colts!!! "wahhhh!!! Colts payed off the refs!!!!"

then again after this year game, more whining and crying about the refs.......

wahhhh!!!! waahhhh!!! wahhh!!!!

Now you've got the stones to call another team cry babies??? You're kidding right????:D:r

Are you kidding me ?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!

You NEVER EVER hear the Patriots cry about anything NEVER. The Colts are one of the biggest cry baby teams of this era. Not only does Payton cry about officiating he throws his own players under the bus. Your owner cried to league officials for years about officiating. Payton cries about players being hurt. How this for a little fact. When Payton was missing his receivers this year his top receiver was still better than anything the Pats had last year except he can't perform like Brady can with only average receivers.

ResIpsa

12-05-2007, 12:15 PM

Are you kidding me ?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!

You NEVER EVER hear the Patriots cry about anything NEVER. The Colts are one of the biggest cry baby teams of this era. Not only does Payton cry about officiating he throws his own players under the bus. Your owner cried to league officials for years about officiating. Payton cries about players being hurt. How this for a little fact. When Payton was missing his receivers this year his top receiver was still better than anything the Pats had last year except he can't perform like Brady can with only average receivers.
Man, what sport are YOU watching:r

That whinney little biatch Brady was right there on camera for all the world to see, pissing and whining to the refs all game Monday night with his little girl voice over what he saw as pass interference. But please, keep right on spinning away, :r

Quint

12-05-2007, 12:47 PM

There's a HUGE difference between pleading your case to the ref during the game on the field so maybe you get the next call as opposed to doing it at the press conference in the newspapers ect. Something none of the Patriots players or coaches EVER do. Unlike the Colts as I stated in my last post

This is amazing coming from a Colts fan with Manning being the biggest cry baby in the NFL

ResIpsa

12-05-2007, 01:29 PM

ResIpsa

12-05-2007, 01:33 PM

Are you kidding me ?? ARE YOU KIDDING ME !!!

You NEVER EVER hear the Patriots cry about anything NEVER. The Colts are one of the biggest cry baby teams of this era. Not only does Payton cry about officiating he throws his own players under the bus. Your owner cried to league officials for years about officiating. Payton cries about players being hurt. How this for a little fact. When Payton was missing his receivers this year his top receiver was still better than anything the[B] Pats had last year except he can't perform like Brady can with only average receivers.
The 11 game phenom Tom Brady!!!!:r:r

When he does it for the next 8 years of so, by all means call me!!:D

Quint

12-05-2007, 02:05 PM

The 11 game phenom Tom Brady!!!!:r:r

When he does it for the next 8 years of so, by all means call me!!:D

Lets see 3 Superbowls, 2 Superbowl MVP's

:r Keep trying brother.......

Quint

12-05-2007, 03:05 PM

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Peyton Peyton over here...Here ya go Eli...your the best Peyton.....no you are Eli

vtdragon

12-05-2007, 03:40 PM

The 11 game phenom Tom Brady!!!!:r:r

When he does it for the next 8 years of so, by all means call me!!:D
Apparently you've forgotton about his 3 Super Bowl wins, two as MVP.
If I were starting a team Brady would be my first pick. The Dolts can keep Peyton.

MikeyC

12-05-2007, 04:01 PM

Apparently you've forgotton about his 3 Super Bowl wins, two as MVP.
If I were starting a team Brady would be my first pick. The Dolts can keep Peyton.
:tpd:

It's no contest. This year Brady finally has the caliber of receiver that Manning has had for many years and he'll likely set all kinds of new single season records.

Also, Peyton is absolutely one of the biggest cry babies in the NFL. I've never seen a player throw his team mates under the bus so consistently like he does. It's always someone else's fault when they lose. It must be fun to play with him.

Puffy69

12-05-2007, 04:17 PM

Should have.........are you saying the NFL has crooked REFs ??

Come on ..........they won and won fair and square. Baltimore are cry babies.
Well it seems everything goes the Pats way..That last TD was incomplete and technically the only people who can call time out are the players on the field and the head coach. not the assistant coach..thats what gave you guys the win..BUT, calling the time out was the right thing to do..they had you guys stopped..im just saying that the Pats got lucky and it shouldnt have been that close of a game and they are slipping and if they play that way against the Steelers they will get their ass handed to them..you need to be worried..it aint gonna be easy if the Steelers bring it, which im sure they will.

ResIpsa

12-05-2007, 04:23 PM

Apparently you've forgotton about his 3 Super Bowl wins, two as MVP.
If I were starting a team Brady would be my first pick. The Dolts can keep Peyton.
That's great for you. Since you'll never be in that position though, it's sad that the rest of us won't get to laugh at you:r.

Super Bowls are won by teams.......but hey, Trent Dilfer has a ring, and doug Williams, and Mark Rypien........Brady fits right in!!:tu:D

ResIpsa

12-05-2007, 04:24 PM

Well it seems everything goes the Pats way..That last TD was incomplete and technically the only people who can call time out are the players on the field and the head coach. not the assistant coach..thats what gave you guys the win..BUT, calling the time out was the right thing to do..they had you guys stopped..im just saying that the Pats got lucky and it shouldnt have been that close of a game and they are slipping and if they play that way against the Steelers they will get their ass handed to them..you need to be worried..it aint gonna be easy if the Steelers bring it, which im sure they will.
I'm wit ya Freddy. The ball popped up in the air free and clear of his arm, that was NOT a catch.

vtdragon

12-05-2007, 04:34 PM

The ball popped up in the air free and clear of his arm, that was NOT a catch.
Obviously the refs disagree.

By the way, Vegas has the line on this game as Patriots favored by 13 1/2.
I know they have not come close to beating the spread in the past two weeks, but isn't it interesting how many points still have to be given to the Steelers to get people to bet on them?

RPB67

12-05-2007, 05:17 PM

Alpedhuez55

12-05-2007, 06:09 PM

That's great for you. Since you'll never be in that position though, it's sad that the rest of us won't get to laugh at you:r.

Super Bowls are won by teams.......but hey, Trent Dilfer has a ring, and doug Williams, and Mark Rypien........Brady fits right in!!:tu:D

Actually Brady has three rings....
I think he fits in better with names like Bradshaw, Montana, Elway, Aikman, Starr, Staubach,

Even if he never plays another game, he is a Hall of Famer. And it is very possible that he could have a whole fist full of rings before he is done.

mikey202

12-05-2007, 08:17 PM

Well, I'll say this much and ya'll won't hear from me until after the game on Sunday.

Tom Brady is a HOF QB, and is "The Man" in the NFL. What I can't stand about him and Belichick are their smug, arrogant, attitudes. For example, today Brady was talking about the accusations, from the Ravens. In a nutshell, he said it was an exciting game , and he hopes everyone will be bored with the next one, but he didn't think it was going to be that way.
I take that as, he wants to or thinks they will run up the score.

Well, like Coach Tomlin said," This isn't Appalachian State vs Michigian!!"

And I don't wish any career ending/life threatening injuries, to anyone. But, my Steelers are a smashmouth football team, on both sides of the ball. I hope Brady gets "smashed in the mouth", plain and simple.

To all of the STEELER NATION!!!! LETS GET IT ON!!!!!!:mn

Budprince

12-05-2007, 08:42 PM

As much as the Eagles and Ravens scared the P fans, I think the past 2 weeks were a wake up call for the Pats. I really think that they're going to foucus hard the next 4 weeks to be the best they can. I know it's a tall order to go undefeated, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them do it.

I for one am pulling for them - I celebrate the pursuit of excellence. :tu

As for the team that may keep them from it - more power to them and congratulations for beating the best team in the NFL.

CigarDoc

12-05-2007, 10:00 PM

Here's a prediction for you: PATS 35 Steelers 21. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Puffy69

12-05-2007, 11:04 PM

Why is everyone so against the Pats.

They are in first, they have a great passing game and offence. They seem to be un-stopable at the moment.

In my opinion hey should pull Brady from the next 4 games. The next four games they are going to be gunning for him for sure. They have already clinched so who cares. They need to get ready for playoffs.

And no matter how you look at it, they are still undefeated and they still beat the COLTS !! :tu

Yeah but they will never do that because they are so concerned about running up scores and dominating, not doing the smart and right thing..If they would play the game with some class and integrity maybe everybody wouldnt hate them so much..

paperairplane

12-05-2007, 11:46 PM

joed

12-05-2007, 11:51 PM

I couldn't care less who wins this game. Both teams are pretty good = have quality QBs and strong defenses. I just like to watch two good teams play exciting football - the blow outs were not exciting to watch. The last couple of Pats game were good - I think this will be a good game - because it will be a hard fought, close game.

My prediction - the team that scores the most points will win.

RPB67

12-06-2007, 04:27 PM

Yeah but they will never do that because they are so concerned about running up scores and dominating, not doing the smart and right thing..If they would play the game with some class and integrity maybe everybody wouldnt hate them so much..

I guess the want to win football games..........oh yeah, thats what they are suppose to do.... I forgot.

Maybe if the other teams were a bit better the scores would not be so high.

mmblz

12-06-2007, 04:34 PM

Yeah but they will never do that because they are so concerned about running up scores and dominating, not doing the smart and right thing..If they would play the game with some class and integrity maybe everybody wouldnt hate them so much..

Your Cowboys are no different. They beat the Rams 35-7 and the Jets 34-3.
So if the Pats are sh*theads for running up the score, then so are the Cowboys. Only difference is the Cowboys haven't had the ability to be sh*theads more often.

:r

ATLHARP

12-06-2007, 06:21 PM

<Cowboys>Micheal Irvin /hooker/ blow comment</Cowboys>

At every level of football, from pee-wee on up the goal is to win - every.single.game. Why would the NFL be any different?

I respect what the pats have accomplished - that said, I hope my beloved Steelers treat him like the Bears did the Pats in SBXX.

Agreed,

The job of an offense when it is on the field is to score points. If an offense is not on the field to score, then what is it doing there? As far as I am concerned there is no such thing as running up the score. The Pats just like the Cowboys or Colts are on that field to score TD's period. The best way for a team to keep the Pats from running up the score is to beat them. I do hope that the Steelers beat the Pats, but if the Pats run up the score on them; I won't blame the Pats. I will blame the Steeler's defense.:2

ATL

Quint

12-07-2007, 10:30 AM

I'm wit ya Freddy. The ball popped up in the air free and clear of his arm, that was NOT a catch.

Just like the interference call on Hobbs in the endzone last year in the AFC Championship game that gave the Dolts the ball on the one yard line and allowed the Dolts to score and win the game WAS NOT interference.

SaltyMcGee

12-07-2007, 12:53 PM

My prediction - the team that scores the most points will win.

Way to go out on a limb there.....:r

Texan in Mexico

12-07-2007, 01:17 PM

mosesbotbol

12-07-2007, 01:38 PM

Pat should win, but I would take the Steelers if I were betting. It's going to be a narrow margin if they can even beat the Steelers... This is coming from a certified Masshole too.

Everyone around here thinks it's going to be tight, yet Vegas is giving a generous margin. I know where the smart money is going!

MadAl

12-07-2007, 01:51 PM

Yeah but they will never do that because they are so concerned about running up scores and dominating, not doing the smart and right thing..If they would play the game with some class and integrity maybe everybody wouldnt hate them so much..

What is this PeeWee Football? Everybody wins, nobody loses, hey let's not even keep score!

For cryin' out loud, these are PROFESSIONAL athletes, if they can't compete get out of the game. Maybe defenses should make a freakin' play and keep the Pats out of the endzone.

ATLHARP

12-09-2007, 08:20 AM

Positive thoughts, Positive thoughts!!

Come on Steelers don't let me down!!

Man is this gonna be a great game!

ATL

ResIpsa

12-09-2007, 11:19 AM

Hopefully Ben Limburger plays way over his head and the Steelers win.

jpa0741

12-09-2007, 12:48 PM

Any of you Steeler fans want to put a 5er on the line NC or CC you decide. I will take the PATS -10.5. Let me know.:tu

ResIpsa

12-09-2007, 12:49 PM

Just like the interference call on Hobbs in the endzone last year in the AFC Championship game that gave the Dolts the ball on the one yard line and allowed the Dolts to score and win the game WAS NOT interference.

More whining about the refs?? But I thought Pats fans and players don't whine about the refs? Your ability to live in the past is astounding:r:D

And yeah, the Colts are real Dolts, especially when it comes to building a team through the draft. You're a real student of the game, :rolleyes::r

Simplified

12-09-2007, 01:30 PM

Positive thoughts, Positive thoughts!!

Come on Steelers don't let me down!!

Man is this gonna be a great game!

ATL

I am with you! I hope that it is the good game you are looking for...

dunng

12-09-2007, 01:35 PM

Go Pats! :ss

[OT] Loki

12-09-2007, 01:38 PM

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jpa0741

12-09-2007, 01:58 PM

Any of you Steeler fans want to put a 5er on the line NC or CC you decide. I will take the PATS -10.5. Let me know.:tu

Come on all you Steeler fans, put your smokes where MY mouth is.:D

mikey202

12-09-2007, 02:18 PM

Come on all you Steeler fans, put your smokes where MY mouth is.:D

I've already have 2 5vrs and $20 on this game.:ss

Bigwaved

12-09-2007, 06:34 PM

Hmmm...I hear a faint women's voice warming up in the background.

ResIpsa

12-09-2007, 06:35 PM

It appears Small Ben has once again lived down to my expectations of him.

Budprince

12-09-2007, 06:37 PM

It's starting to look like a tall order for the Steelers to win this one. . . .NE isn't completely overpowering them, but the seem relentless. Looks like a 13 - 0 ending for this week.

Alpedhuez55

12-09-2007, 06:58 PM

They are just picking them apart now. Brady is making it look easy. And the clown who guaranteed a win gets beat for a few TDs.

Jets and Dolphins are going to throw everything they have at them. Look for a lot of go for it on 4th and crazy blitz packages the next two weeks.

El Gato

12-09-2007, 07:32 PM

Guarantee! Guarantee!
Time to eat some humble pie:tg

mikey202

12-09-2007, 07:52 PM

It appears Small Ben has once again lived down to my expectations of him.

Ya whatever...your 5vr will go out this week. Till we meet in the playoffs. And Big Ben didn't have that bad of a game. Polamalu being out killed us.

dunng

12-09-2007, 08:07 PM

13-0! Go PATS! :ss

paperairplane

12-09-2007, 08:19 PM

Ahhh crap.

joed

12-09-2007, 08:23 PM

Oops!

Not really too smart to poke the bear with a short stick :chk

snkbyt

12-09-2007, 08:32 PM

My fantasy.......Polamalu on a delayed safety blitz, blind-side sack, Brady carried of the field. Belichick's head explodes, Bruschi and Seau crying and holding each other. Wes Welker curled up in a fetal position, sucking his thumb and Randy Moss ends it all by drowning himself in the Gatoraid dispenser.
A great wail and gnashing of teeth comes from Foxboro," What will we do now? What will we do now?" Loud enough to be heard in the Goodyear blimp flying over the stadium. :ss
life is just a fantasy, come and live the fantasy life

Simplified

12-09-2007, 08:42 PM

Oops!

Not really too smart to poke the bear with a short stick :chk

Just feeling them out for the playoffs. Giving them that false sense of sucurity...:D

dunng

12-09-2007, 09:13 PM

Just feeling them out for the playoffs. Giving them that false sense of sucurity...:D

Just like the rest of the teams... :mn :ss

RPB67

12-09-2007, 09:35 PM

It appears Small Ben has once again lived down to my expectations of him.

What a game ..........ey Vic.

Did you watch the whole thing ???:chk

King James

12-09-2007, 10:07 PM

I've been studying all day Sir Tony called me and told me it was a 2 pt game at half then I took a break and flipped the game on in the 4th quarter and wondered what the heck happened. I'd like to see the Pats lose, but would LOVE to see them lose in the Super Bowl to the Packers :)

keithsan

12-09-2007, 10:53 PM

More whining about the refs?? But I thought Pats fans and players don't whine about the refs? Your ability to live in the past is astounding:r:D

And yeah, the Colts are real Dolts, especially when it comes to building a team through the draft. You're a real student of the game, :rolleyes::r

Normally I dont get involved in the ref complaining thing but in that colts pats game championship game the nfl apologized to the patriots for the bad game costing call. Thats an enormous difference as its a rarity for the nfl to apologize for anything.

NFL apology Colt comfort for Hobbs - N.E. Patriots - BostonHerald.com
FOXBORO - Ellis Hobbs [stats] has insisted since the AFC title game loss to the Colts that he was improperly flagged for pass interference in the end zone.
The league not only agrees with him, it let him know it.
Hobbs received a letter during the offseason apologizing for the blown call, which led to the touchdown that tied the game at 21 in the third quarter.
“It’s a little late for that now,” Hobbs said with a sigh.The penalty came on second-and-7 from the Patriots [team stats] 19. Colts quarterback Peyton Manning targeted a streaking Reggie Wayne down the sideline, but Hobbs stayed with him stride for stride, cutting short his pursuit to avoid the contact that would have resulted in a penalty. He watched Wayne’s eyes, slightly turned his head and leaped while the ball descended. It hit him in the left arm and Hobbs was immediately flagged by referee Bill Carollo.

TV analyst Phil Simms labeled it face-guarding - the act of not turning to look for the ball - which is no longer illegal. The play is only a penalty if Hobbs makes contact with the receiver, which he was careful not to do.
Manning then hit former Patriots defensive lineman Dan Klecko with a 1-yard score, and the two-point conversion tied the game.
Hobbs has insisted ever since that the call should not have been made, a point he made forcefully after the game.
“I’ll say it publicly - that wasn’t pass interference,” Hobbs said. “I didn’t touch the guy. The ball hit me in the back of the arm. He put his hands up and I’m just trying to play through his hands. I didn’t look back, but I didn’t touch him. You make the call. Watch that replay and tell me if it’s pass interference.”
It’s little consolation now, but Hobbs was right.

Simplified

12-09-2007, 10:57 PM

Pats vs Jets 35 point spread?

Alpedhuez55

12-09-2007, 11:06 PM

Pats vs Jets 35 point spread?

Poor Mangini...It looks like he will be out of a job in a few weeks, and I do not think the Pats will want him back.

ResIpsa

12-09-2007, 11:42 PM

FOXBORO - Ellis Hobbs [stats] has insisted since the AFC title game loss to the Colts that he was improperly flagged for pass interference in the end zone.
The league not only agrees with him, it let him know it.
Hobbs received a letter during the offseason apologizing for the blown call, which led to the touchdown that tied the game at 21 in the third quarter.
“It’s a little late for that now,” Hobbs said with a sigh.whine whine whine.

1) As far as I know, the league doesn't send apology letters to individual players. Sounds to me like just another bs lie. So if Hobbs has it, he should produce it.:2

2) A couple of years ago the Patsies flat out mugged, held, and tackled the Colts wide receivers and cheated their way through a playoff game with the Colts. It was so bad that the NFL actually apologized for the officiating to the Colts and THAT is a known fact undisputed by anyone. It was so bad that the NFL completely rewrote the rules for illegal contact so that the refs couldn't ignore those tactics anymore. ... But that doesnt change the outcome of that game, does it?:chk

Stop the whining. Please. Both of those games are over with. In the alternative my niece has a cute little pink hankerchief to go with your skirt, you can use it at the next patriots game you go to:r:r

taltos

12-10-2007, 05:52 AM

Poor Mangini...It looks like he will be out of a job in a few weeks, and I do not think the Pats will want him back.
The little scum bag will be lucky to get a graduate assistant job at a junior college.

keithsan

12-10-2007, 08:44 AM

[quote=ResIpsa;1323513]whine whine whine.

1) As far as I know, the league doesn't send apology letters to individual players. Sounds to me like just another bs lie. So if Hobbs has it, he should produce it.:2

2) A couple of years ago the Patsies flat out mugged, held, and tackled the Colts wide receivers and cheated their way through a playoff game with the Colts. It was so bad that the NFL actually apologized for the officiating to the Colts and THAT is a known fact undisputed by anyone. It was so bad that the NFL completely rewrote the rules for illegal contact so that the refs couldn't ignore those tactics anymore.

Stop the whining.

A. I'm not whining I dont care either way. just pointing out a known fact sorry it wasn't know to you.

B. On your part 2. Yes the pats mugged the Rams in the superbowl too. That was the strategy. The NFL altered/re-emphasized certain aspects of the rule AFTER the game and AFTER whining by polian.

I do go to pats games but no pink skirts. Maybe you can get some other guy to wear one for you:r

MikeyC

12-10-2007, 08:51 AM

2) A couple of years ago the Patsies flat out mugged, held, and tackled the Colts wide receivers and cheated their way through a playoff game with the Colts. It was so bad that the NFL actually apologized for the officiating to the Colts and THAT is a known fact undisputed by anyone. It was so bad that the NFL completely rewrote the rules for illegal contact so that the refs couldn't ignore those tactics anymore. ... But that doesnt change the outcome of that game, does it?:chk

I think you put it best when you said "stop the whining" and this CLEARLY qualifies as whining. 3 Superbowl rings (probably soon to be 4) to 1 that's all I'll say.

Anyway, bad officiating always evens out in the end IMO. Sometimes you're on the winning end of a bad call and sometimes you're on the losing end.

MikeyC

12-10-2007, 08:52 AM

The little scum bag will be lucky to get a graduate assistant job at a junior college.
I heard the Patriots are going to be putting the punter on the inactive list next week because they won't need him. :ss

Quint

12-10-2007, 09:45 AM

Quint

12-10-2007, 09:53 AM

whine whine whine.

1) As far as I know, the league doesn't send apology letters to individual players. Sounds to me like just another bs lie. So if Hobbs has it, he should produce it.:2

2) A couple of years ago the Patsies flat out mugged, held, and tackled the Colts wide receivers and cheated their way through a playoff game with the Colts. It was so bad that the NFL actually apologized for the officiating to the Colts and THAT is a known fact undisputed by anyone. It was so bad that the NFL completely rewrote the rules for illegal contact so that the refs couldn't ignore those tactics anymore. ... But that doesnt change the outcome of that game, does it?:chk

Stop the whining. Please. Both of those games are over with. In the alternative my niece has a cute little pink hankerchief to go with your skirt, you can use it at the next patriots game you go to:r:r

http://www.cosgan.de/images/more/bigs/c045.gif

Simplified

12-10-2007, 11:09 AM

Looks like we need to start an argue with Vic football thread.:r

Quint

12-10-2007, 11:25 AM

Looks like we need to start an argue with Vic football thread.:r

naw he's just passionate about his team as we all are...........

Alpedhuez55

12-10-2007, 11:31 AM

Looks like we need to start an argue with Vic football thread.:r
I bet a Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning thread will work. But this year, it is no contest. So we have to compare Brady to both Manning Brothers.

I mean Brady has 45 TD passes....and when you add Peyton and and Eli's TD passes this year, they have a total of 45 Combined. But the Manning Brothers have a combined total of 30 interceptioons....which is 6 times the 5 that Brady has thrown.
:chk

Simplified

12-10-2007, 11:37 AM

I bet a Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning thread will work. But this year, it is no contest. So we have to compare Brady to both Manning Brothers.

I mean Brady has 45 TD passes....and when you add Peyton and and Eli's TD passes this year, they have a total of 45 Combined. But the Manning Brothers have a combined total of 30 interceptioons....which is 6 times the 5 that Brady has thrown.
:chk

But your not counting the number of TD passes to the our team that the Manning brothers have thrown...:D

P.S. I love Vic:tu

ResIpsa

12-10-2007, 11:42 AM

Looks like we need to start an argue with Vic football thread.:r

sorry, rofl

ResIpsa

12-10-2007, 12:28 PM

naw he's just passionate about his team as we all are...........:tpd:

Puffy69

12-18-2007, 01:15 AM

Your Cowboys are no different. They beat the Rams 35-7 and the Jets 34-3.
So if the Pats are sh*theads for running up the score, then so are the Cowboys. Only difference is the Cowboys haven't had the ability to be sh*theads more often.

:r

just saw this..
Yes, they are different..When they realized they had them beat and there was no way they could come back.They took their starting QB out of the game for his protection, both times with more than 7 minutes left in the game and ran the ball every play after that...Not throwing the ball every down to humiliate the other team..The Pats are the best but they have no class IMO..say what you want..

mmblz

12-18-2007, 09:24 AM

just saw this..
Yes, they are different..When they realized they had them beat and there was no way they could come back.They took their starting QB out of the game for his protection, both times with more than 7 minutes left in the game and ran the ball every play after that...Not throwing the ball every down to humiliate the other team..The Pats are the best but they have no class IMO..say what you want..

In the Jets game Brad Johnson came in at 3:51, and they ran the ball for one drive. With one first down they were able to run the clock down to :20. Against the Rams, same thing from 5:31 to 0:00.
So, in the last few minutes, they ran the clock down, ok...

Now look at one of the Pats biggest blowouts, against the Redskins... With 8:30 left, they put in Cassel. Still quite a bit of time left which is presumably why they didn't just run - Cassel makes some passes. Next drive at 3:00 they put Gutierrez in and run.
How about a game they won by a similar margin to the two Cowboys games I mentioned... Bills game week 3.
1st possession of the 4th quarter they get a touchdown and make it 38-7.
Next possession, with 8:15 left, they put in Cassel, who doesn't attempt a pass. Next possession at 5:57, again they only run.
Week 1 - they primarily run for the whole 4th quarter
I started to look at more games but I don't have time for this.

Freddy, get beyond the Jealousy and look at the Facts!
;)