An observation about aged NCs
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Just how many is several anyway?
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Yep, it's all about the supply and demand. Demand for most older NCs seems to be lower than for "fresh" NCs simply due to the way that market works. Most NC manufacturers are constantly rolling out new products and pimping the hell out of them instead of sticking with a consistent, signature product. The new stuff is what's getting pimped, so it's what the NC smoking public wants. Of course there are exceptions to this rule for products that are constantly in high demand like Opus X and Anejo. People will buy those new at almost any price so they're not really paying a premium for your aged stock . . .
Completely agree
trying not to step on toes here.....
Okay, I love the full-bodied facemelters.
I'm not gonna spend my money on an aged mild/medium smoke - that dog won't hunt. All cigars "mellow with age"....if it was a mild - I wouldn't touch it to begin with! A Medium?? gettin' smoked right now - Full bodied?? smokin' em, aging 'em....they just "do it" for me....not sure how else to explain it??
Now, I've bought boxes upon boxes of 2 - 5 year old Piranhas, Silencios, Machitos, LGC Serie R#5 Nat AND Maduro, and that's just off the top of my head.
From the list in the original post - I don't buy many of those labels to begin with (I know you were just using it as an example).
If you could predict what would sell for more than you paid for it, you would be a very rich man!!!
Okay, I love the full-bodied facemelters.
I'm not gonna spend my money on an aged mild/medium smoke - that dog won't hunt. All cigars "mellow with age"....if it was a mild - I wouldn't touch it to begin with! A Medium?? gettin' smoked right now - Full bodied?? smokin' em, aging 'em....they just "do it" for me....not sure how else to explain it??
Now, I've bought boxes upon boxes of 2 - 5 year old Piranhas, Silencios, Machitos, LGC Serie R#5 Nat AND Maduro, and that's just off the top of my head.
From the list in the original post - I don't buy many of those labels to begin with (I know you were just using it as an example).
If you could predict what would sell for more than you paid for it, you would be a very rich man!!!
So you are in the DC area and you've had no problem selling boxes of Cuban cigars for more than you paid for them?
I think linking to your name and address at your "Society" is going to make it pretty easy for Customs to come knocking on your door.
Maybe you need to brush up on CS policies regarding posts about the discussion of buying and selling CC's.
Just some friendly advice.:2
Not NEARLY enough, however many it is (yeah, I bought some off cbid once. Once!) :ss
Actually I'd challenge you to find a post where I have actually sold any CCs. On any forum anywhere. It was more a point than a "hey look at me selling CCs" kind of deal.
Re-read his first post.
Please tell me where it states he is selling CC's anywhere?
While you may infer that he has sold CC's, you can't even bring a "preponderance of evidence" to even file charges.
Careful whose toes you step on El Gato. Addiction is a well respected and upstanding member of this forum and a good citizen of these United States.
Mr. Skibum,
I have read his original post and you are correct that there is no "direct evidence" that our friend sells CC's. There does, however, appear to be something implied here. Just my opinion, prehaps I am mistaken.
I was attempting to offer some friendly advice that it is a known fact that Customs monitors cigar boards in an attempt to squash our purchase of the forbidden fruit.
Poker's post of 3/20/2007 added to PDS's Sticky (see Stickys at the top of the page) details some stories of people who have been asked to "explain transactions" by Customs.
Since the time that Poker made this post the Customs Dept. has stepped up enforcement and has been levying fines against BOTL who have made small purchases of one or two boxes. Gone are the days that they would confiscate
a box or two here and there. Now they mean business and are treating casual CC smokers as violators of the Trading With The Enemy Act. Serious stuff to be sure.
My point to our friend Mr. Addiction is that "unwanted attention" is something that Club Stogie, his cigar society, and himself are something that none of us want. I unfortunately decided to use sarcasm in my post rather than to give a detailed explaination of my point. My sincerest apologies to Mr. Addiction and to you as well if you feel I have slighted such a fine BOTL.
The point I was trying to make in my first post is that we all need to be cautious!! No more, no less.
I have read his original post and you are correct that there is no "direct evidence" that our friend sells CC's. There does, however, appear to be something implied here. Just my opinion, prehaps I am mistaken.
I was attempting to offer some friendly advice that it is a known fact that Customs monitors cigar boards in an attempt to squash our purchase of the forbidden fruit.
Poker's post of 3/20/2007 added to PDS's Sticky (see Stickys at the top of the page) details some stories of people who have been asked to "explain transactions" by Customs.
Since the time that Poker made this post the Customs Dept. has stepped up enforcement and has been levying fines against BOTL who have made small purchases of one or two boxes. Gone are the days that they would confiscate
a box or two here and there. Now they mean business and are treating casual CC smokers as violators of the Trading With The Enemy Act. Serious stuff to be sure.
My point to our friend Mr. Addiction is that "unwanted attention" is something that Club Stogie, his cigar society, and himself are something that none of us want. I unfortunately decided to use sarcasm in my post rather than to give a detailed explaination of my point. My sincerest apologies to Mr. Addiction and to you as well if you feel I have slighted such a fine BOTL.
The point I was trying to make in my first post is that we all need to be cautious!! No more, no less.
I lived and worked on Capital Hill for a few years in my younger days. I'm well aware of how to use words to say one thing but mean another. However, here in "fly over country," if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. It certainly seems as though Addiction is speaking from experience. I don't know how you would read his above statement to mean anything otherwise. Typically investigations, such as those done by the Office of Foreign Asset Control, do not require a "preponderance of evidence." A few strong hints and a curious investigator are enough to make someone's life rather uncomfortable.
SteveDMatt
We stink....2-3...WTF
It actually looks to me like he is implying that YOU, not he, can sell them for more that was paid for them.
I heard he sells CCs to children on playgrounds. Filthy pusher! Won't someone please think of the children?!?
I think your WTS thread is extremely reasonable and may still take you up on it depending on space issues. I have opened and closed the PM window 3 times wanting to pull the trigger. Did you ever think your timing might be a little off what with people scrambling to budget/find money for Opus Xs? Just a thought.
I think your WTS thread is extremely reasonable and may still take you up on it depending on space issues. I have opened and closed the PM window 3 times wanting to pull the trigger. Did you ever think your timing might be a little off what with people scrambling to budget/find money for Opus Xs? Just a thought.
Point taken. No harm no foul.
And Addiction certainly does sell CC's to kids on playgrounds...but onyl those that come up to him because they know he has the goods. It's not like he give them the first "Cohibo" free.
and BTW....Mr. Skibum is my father, I'm just a bum that likes to ski, golf, and smoke cigars. :r
Please tell me where this playground is. I've got a monkey on my back and he won't let go. (Or is that a gorilla?)
Prehaps a quote is in order:
"So long as the laws remain such as they are today, employ some discretion: loud opinion forces us to do so; but in privacy and silence let us compensate ourselves for that cruel chastity we are obliged to display in public."
Marquis de Sade (6/2/1740 to 12/2/1814)
Prehaps a quote is in order:
"So long as the laws remain such as they are today, employ some discretion: loud opinion forces us to do so; but in privacy and silence let us compensate ourselves for that cruel chastity we are obliged to display in public."
Marquis de Sade (6/2/1740 to 12/2/1814)
In all reality I try not to smoke anything that isn't at least 6 months old. For some reason I just gravitate to aged stuff, and that includes NCs.
Now I have smoked a decent amount of aged CCs in the 8-10 year range and haven't had the same comparison for NCs since finding a 10 year old NC is pretty challenging. If they had box codes like CCs it would make it easier to find out IMO and I think some people like Pepin are moving toward adding box codes.
I personally don't think CCs are any better than NCs. Just different IMO. They are both great and sometimes I am in the mood for one over the other. :tu
Now I have smoked a decent amount of aged CCs in the 8-10 year range and haven't had the same comparison for NCs since finding a 10 year old NC is pretty challenging. If they had box codes like CCs it would make it easier to find out IMO and I think some people like Pepin are moving toward adding box codes.
I personally don't think CCs are any better than NCs. Just different IMO. They are both great and sometimes I am in the mood for one over the other. :tu
You shouldn't admit to owning CCs. I think some of the people in this thread might be wearing wires.
I'm jes sayin
I have had some great NCs none of them compared directly to a CC but there were things to like about them as well.
ETA: My soft rule is 6 months of resting/aging for NCs.
I'm jes sayin
I have had some great NCs none of them compared directly to a CC but there were things to like about them as well.
ETA: My soft rule is 6 months of resting/aging for NCs.
Back OT.
I'm very, very reluctant to buy a box of cigars with a price more that 2 digits, infact the only boxes I have bought that were that expensive are Padrons. Most of my smokes are the result of 5 packs or 10 packs, assortments, whatever. That being said, if I was looking to spend a good chunk of change, and I knew a guy who's uncle's sister in law's older brother had some NC, and some CC on hand for sale, I'd go for the CC simply because a guy like me has no idea where to find that stuff otherwise. I can find NC all day, so why bother? The only thing that'd compell me to buy expensive box of NC would be if it were a good deal I couldn't find anywhere else.
I'm very, very reluctant to buy a box of cigars with a price more that 2 digits, infact the only boxes I have bought that were that expensive are Padrons. Most of my smokes are the result of 5 packs or 10 packs, assortments, whatever. That being said, if I was looking to spend a good chunk of change, and I knew a guy who's uncle's sister in law's older brother had some NC, and some CC on hand for sale, I'd go for the CC simply because a guy like me has no idea where to find that stuff otherwise. I can find NC all day, so why bother? The only thing that'd compell me to buy expensive box of NC would be if it were a good deal I couldn't find anywhere else.
No need to apologize bro, I didn't take it personally. As they used to say love is love, its all good. For the record I doubt that what I wrote in the OP would draw any attention at all. Its not pictures of illegal cigars (which happens) and there is no mention of a transaction (also happens). It would be hard to get a letter asking me to explain a transaction for which they have no details. And I'm 100% certain that I have created no records of transactiosn that they would be interested in. After all I am a law abiding citizen in most respects (I mean who doesn't speed?).
In any event you are completely right that people engaging in those activities should be careful and cautious and I completely agree with your point.
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I guess it has been said but it is pretty much because it is not hard to get any non cuban at a fair price. Also, I am not afraid of getting a letter from the government if I buy NC cigars from a vendor but would worry about it if I bought CC the same way. Buying CCs from a BOTL is less worrisome, IMO.