An observation about aged NCs

[Addiction]

OK let me start with this for the record. Its 100% true and I'd say the same thing in a poly: I have never, ever, under any circumstances or at any time sold a single CC , nor a fiver, nor a box. Such behavior is against the laws of this country and not one I care to indulge in. I don't know how many people have been strapped into the machine to be asked questions but I have so I understand what that means when I make the offer above.

It may have been implied that I own CCs, again that is not an incrimination that I admit too. And I would be more than willing to open my home to inspection to anyone with the properly executed documents that empower such a search.

What I was trying to say was that in other forums around the world I've seen some CCs sold that were above what I presume the original price to be and every one was sold quickly and without general complaint. Its not as if I have some great knowledge of the original price, that part is roughly presumption.

To go back on target if I poked my head in WTS and said I had a ten count box of CCs from 2005 for 95% of what they listed at (which is what I would have paid) those cigars would be gone, I have no doubts of this. But the same thing for Davidoffs, which are arguably the top of the NC market, and nary a whisper goes off. That is the comparison I'm making.

And as far as this thing about those children let me just say they were asking for it. I mean did you see how they were dressed?

 

[Rolando]

I guess I must be chopped liver. Screw it. I never got an answer on my can I wait a week question in the WTS thread and even though I have expressed interest twice apparently I am still nary a whisper.

 

[BengalMan]

I think it comes down to two things, price and availability. Cubans aren't readily available to everyone, thus when someone that doesn't' know where to get them see's an opportunity to buy some, they jump on it. Vintage Cubans are just more highly regarded that "domestic" sticks.

As far as price is concerned, many cigars now days can be bought on places like CI for much cheaper than most B&M's can afford to sell them at. If you bought these in 05 and from a B&M and are asking B&M prices that include OTP, someone is likely to just buy them from CI for a cheaper price and ignore that they have 3 years. If you want to sell stuff faster, lower the price if it's not selling.

 

[Addiction]

I guess I must be chopped liver. Screw it. I never got an answer on my can I wait a week question in the WTS thread and even though I have expressed interest twice apparently I am still nary a whisper.

No Rolando I wasn't monitoring the thread for answers, typically questions are asked via PM. Since I didn't get any PMs I assumed there to be no interest. The answer to your question is sure you can circle back when you think you have room and see what is left.

 

[Addiction]

I think it comes down to two things, price and availability. Cubans aren't readily available to everyone, thus when someone that doesn't' know where to get them see's an opportunity to buy some, they jump on it. Vintage Cubans are just more highly regarded that "domestic" sticks.

As far as price is concerned, many cigars now days can be bought on places like CI for much cheaper than most B&M's can afford to sell them at. If you bought these in 05 and from a B&M and are asking B&M prices that include OTP, someone is likely to just buy them from CI for a cheaper price and ignore that they have 3 years. If you want to sell stuff faster, lower the price if it's not selling.

Bengal,

There has been some small amount of heat in this thread so I’ll say this up front, the following is not directed at you. In fact it’s a redirection of the thread kind of.

So far a lot of people have given me instruction on better ways to sell things. I don’t mind the hints but I have 65 trader feedback and less than 5 of those were actual trades. I’ve got a good handle on how to get things to sell. I know that if I simply inch the price down $10-$15 a day as long as I can stand it then eventually someone will buy it. This isn’t a thread about selling things and in truth this latest batch of stuff I don’t care if it sells or not, they are all pretty good sticks and I’ll simply keep smoking them or give them as gifts. Heck my next door neighbor wouldn’t know to crap or go blind if I gave him a box of God of Fire for Xmas.

The other general answer seems to be “People can find quality NCs anywhere.” I guess but please let me know if people can find aged NCs anywhere. My observation is really towards peoples willingness to buy aged NCS so a comparison of how they can buy new NCs doesn’t diffuse it.

 

[BengalMan]

Bengal,

There has been some small amount of heat in this thread so I’ll say this up front, the following is not directed at you. In fact it’s a redirection of the thread kind of.

So far a lot of people have given me instruction on better ways to sell things. I don’t mind the hints but I have 65 trader feedback and less than 5 of those were actual trades. I’ve got a good handle on how to get things to sell. I know that if I simply inch the price down $10-$15 a day as long as I can stand it then eventually someone will buy it. This isn’t a thread about selling things and in truth this latest batch of stuff I don’t care if it sells or not, they are all pretty good sticks and I’ll simply keep smoking them or give them as gifts. Heck my next door neighbor wouldn’t know to crap or go blind if I gave him a box of God of Fire for Xmas.

The other general answer seems to be “People can find quality NCs anywhere.” I guess but please let me know if people can find aged NCs anywhere. My observation is really towards peoples willingness to buy aged NCS so a comparison of how they can buy new NCs doesn’t diffuse it.

I wasn't questioning your selling experience, or feedback. I think it comes down to what I said before, people just don't care about aged NC's as they do Cubans and because of that, they aren't in a rush to buy an "aged" box.

Like I mentioned before, and answering your question about people not caring about aged NC's, the price paid originally has to come into play. If you bought a box from an online "discount" site and then let it sit a couple years, and offered it up for what you paid, I think it would sell without a problem, because of the price originally paid and being sold for.

However, if you bought that box of cigars at a B&M (I'll use Michigan for example with a 32% OTP) for $132, and that box has 3 years on it, and your selling it for $132, likely someone would disregaurd the age upon seeing a price of $90 of CI or something. Not saying everyone would do this, but many would.

I'm not doing any direct comparisons to what your selling or your prices, just making a generalization to the question that you asked in the beginning. To me this is the argument that most would use to diffuse your question.

 

[Rolando]

I would and have paid more than the original price for an aged NC. I would do it again in a heartbeat. When they are around their original price I think they are a steal... especially if coming from someone like Bryan. I think people who never experience any age on their NCs are cutting themselves out of part of the hobby. How do you know what the affects of aging on certain cigars will be unless you have experienced it? Unless you have a lot of storage space you may never experience it so you will always be left out of the conversation.

You should certainly do your research and make sure the NC is a quality cigar that might have aged some and on most NCs I think under 3 years is best. Based on my experience you should only look for medium-full to full cigars as most mediums are best smoked after 6 months and less than 18 months. How do I know this? Well guess...

I do age them myself but I sort of screwed myself by not buying enough last year, I gave more away than I ever had before, and I have smoked more this summer than normal.

While most NCs don't do much after 12-18 months some will surprise you.

So if you are new to cigars or if you have never had an opportunity to age your own you should keep an eye on the WTS forum and take advantage of what other's have done.

 

[icehog3]

I paid well over original price for a 5'er of original release Anejo #77s, for instance, but seeing cigars like those offered for sale seems to be the exception rather than the rule.