Well I got a hold of the guy at the B&M and he said they will not be released online and they wont go on sale until after thanksgiving some time. He also mentioned that they will be $35 a stick close to double suggested retail price for the box! I keep giving these guys the benifit of the doubt and try to do business with them, but they just dont seem to want it! I guess lesson learned. Im sure they will find someone who doesnt have a network like the great Brothers here to sell their wonderfully priced product to. Just my :2