i was just about to say that...i sense it upon the horizon as well...Did I hear GROUP BUY??
CAO cubist ashtray is awesome BUT...
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GrtndpwrflOZ
GrtndpwrflGrandPa
I don't know the exact dimensions for the CAO ashtray. I can dimension the one I did after I make it 9 x 9 as opposed to the 12 x 12 one I did.
ActionAndy
& the Gorillas from Mars
This is an awesome idea.
At least I am not crazy..
You can bill Bao for mine, he owes it to me for all the 'cute' references through CS over the last week.. :r
Actual dimensions- 9" x 9" x 2.75"
I agree, brushed aluminum would be awesome!
yeah that'd be CUTE! hahahah Kris!
GrtndpwrflOZ
GrtndpwrflGrandPa
That's art 2.5" tall
Somewhere between the two... The idea was to sell them, but I haven't had much time lately, and if I factor in my labor I don't really make anything on them.
The machine can do aluminum, but I don't have much experiance with it (in my machine). The ashtrays I've been doing are 6"x6"x2", and I have to re-mount the block in order to pull it off.... I *may* be able to do 9x9x?, but I'd have to remount at least once, if its possible. It seems like every time I think a project is too big I manage to find a different way to mount it and pull it off.
I'm sure I can do a 6x6x2 cubist in wood, and in fact I would do just that before trying in aluminum due to the cost difference.
I use a Sherline 2000, I'll PM you in a bit to keep this thread clean :tu
Fun site to play with! My past experiance with them is it wasn't ever cost effective unless I was willing to get 100+ units, but I'd love it if this works out!
That's art 2.5" tall
Very nice! The ash catching area may need another .5" but besides that, it is perfect. I may have to ask you to remove the Footbag, unless all of you want to start smoking Footbag cigars, I'm sure it will confuse whoever I find to do it. Plus then you'll have my CAO problem. Club Stogie is fine, but I'll get prices before I get you guys too excited.
Wow, I thought you would all think I was crazy for this.:ss
GrtndpwrflOZ
GrtndpwrflGrandPa
Actually the text may be expensive to have milled into the tray.
If anything it could be an option (that adds costto product)
I can do it you just have to let me know.
Then we can work on what dimensions you want.
B
feelinglikeIamconttributing
If anything it could be an option (that adds costto product)
I can do it you just have to let me know.
Then we can work on what dimensions you want.
B
feelinglikeIamconttributing
Hmmm, don't think there are a hundred people here who will want to pay for it, but I'm still trying. How to I get the slant of the rim? Z-axis or try to cut it out from the front view?
They don't accept any submissions in any form but their own program. Just trying to get an estimate. GrtndpwrflOZ thanks for the designs, depending on how this works out, I may try to submit them to a local shop to see what kind of options I have.
GrtndpwrflOZ
GrtndpwrflGrandPa
If you're trying to get these done in Aluminum...I don't think so. It would be WAY expensive.
As for the angled cuts. You remount the piece to go in from the front view, half was thru. then remount for each side and repeat.
That is alot of changing of the piece, and it will need a nice SOLID chunk of aluminum which all equals $$$$ in my opinion.
Good Luck and count my broke a$$ in. I want one. HELL I'll take a CAO Cubist if it's cheaper
As for the angled cuts. You remount the piece to go in from the front view, half was thru. then remount for each side and repeat.
That is alot of changing of the piece, and it will need a nice SOLID chunk of aluminum which all equals $$$$ in my opinion.
Good Luck and count my broke a$$ in. I want one. HELL I'll take a CAO Cubist if it's cheaper
It looks like 12" aluminum is about $180 for the aluminum alone not including the machining time. 8" aluminum would be about $100 for the aluminum only.
I have no idea how much it would cost for the machining time, but may not get the one on emachine shop priced out. Will see. The wife wants me to make pickles, so I may need to think about it. Will probably try to bring GrtndpwrflOZ design to a local shop.
I'm going to have to think about that. Obviously, I wouldn't want to get CS in trouble and I'm not looking for any money. My original intent was for one ashtray. As well, I don't want anyone to not buy the CAO because this similar one hypothetically exists.
I'm also not sure how patents on "art" work. First, is the design patented? Would using an alternate medium and dimensions be a way around the patent.
If not, maybe I'll just try to come up with a "cooler" design. We'll see.
Short answer, you're talking about copyrights not patents which deal with inventions
In copyright IP law for something to be protected it needs to be "published" . The word published is not used in it's dictionary sense, it means to fix it in a tangible medium. When a singer sings asong on television, that performance has been "published". When an artist sets a design to paper it's published......when a cigar company creates an ashtray it is "published'......published works are protected by IP law.:tu
Short answer, you're talking about copyrights not patents which deal with inventions
In copyright IP law for something to be protected it needs to be "published" . The word published is not used in it's dictionary sense, it means to fix it in a tangible medium. When a singer sings asong on television, that performance has been "published". When an artist sets a design to paper it's published......when a cigar company creates an ashtray it is "published'......published works are protected by IP law.:tu
How much would the design have to be changed in order to be considered a different product? 15% is bouncing around in my head, but I may be making it up...
Aesthetics are going to be a lot more difficult to infringe upon than function.
"ash bearing receptacle" is all you're making.
I don't think CAO could say boo as long as you don't print "CAO" on it, even if the geometry were identical. Not being ubiquitous like a round ashtray doesn't make it more enforcable. I doubt CAO has registered that shape as a trade mark or logo.
The price of the billets sounds really high too ?? Surely a billet that size could be had for $50 or less.....
"ash bearing receptacle" is all you're making.
I don't think CAO could say boo as long as you don't print "CAO" on it, even if the geometry were identical. Not being ubiquitous like a round ashtray doesn't make it more enforcable. I doubt CAO has registered that shape as a trade mark or logo.
The price of the billets sounds really high too ?? Surely a billet that size could be had for $50 or less.....
While it's easy to disagree about IP law , the issue is not trademarks, rather whether or not that particular design is protected under copyright, a distinct area of IP law. Copyrights do not need to be registered to be protected, although it IS a good idea to do so.
An item can have both form and function, be protected as to one and not the other under existing copyright law.
An ashtray referred to as "cubist" is being referred to as a particular art form,by the maker, art is certainly protected under copyright law, and I'll just say that IMHO that design is protected under copyright law, and we can agree to disagree.:tu