CAO cubist ashtray is awesome BUT...

Cigarin-Martin said:
Would injection moulded acrylic in grey/silver be an option.The brewerys always used to use em as promo/advertising in pubs? The range of designs n details you could do would be huge.Just my :2 to keep costs down. Good luck :tu
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It's a possibility, but I would be very resistant to use any plastic's in an ashtray. Plus the mold setup costs a lot. Crystal cut glass would be a possibility, but expensive, and there are still some seams.

Also, this is something that could be made in China for cheaper, but I've got a thing for American made goods.

I do work in retail furniture and have a lot of experience with quality accessories. So work is a great place for me to look at finishes.
 
Why not exotic wood? I've made several ashtrays out of real cool looking wood. Just curious what the OP sees in aluminum?
 
GrtndpwrflOZ said:
Couldn't we just bead blast the thing?
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That's a good and likely possibility. Beadblasting or sandblasting will likely be the cheapest option. That said, the more I read, the more I'm thinking it could look good with a brushed finish plus clear anodizing.

I'm also a bit worried that the tobacco oils would begin to stain the aluminum. As well, untreated aluminum can get stained with the oils from your hands.
 
DonnieW said:
Why not exotic wood? I've made several ashtrays out of real cool looking wood. Just curious what the OP sees in aluminum?
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I have nothing at all against wood. Being in the fine furniture business, I love the look of exotic woods. I have a lot of exotic pieces of furniture in my house. I also have a refinisher that I work with. This would make a great ashtray...
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Image from http://www.hearnehardwoods.com (Awesome site!)


But at $1000 for the piece of wood, my expensive taste extends from wood to aluminum back to wood again. Plus, most very exotic woods are only feasable as veneers which won't work well with the heat. Also, wood is flammable.

When I first saw the ashtray, aluminum shot into my head. I think that's why I'm running with that.


Now as for the piece of wood above. I could probably get solid aluminum legs machined and... WAIT... Back to the ashtray...
 
Footbag said:
I have nothing at all against wood. Being in the fine furniture business, I love the look of exotic woods. I have a lot of exotic pieces of furniture in my house. I also have a refinisher that I work with. This would make a great ashtray...

Image from http://www.hearnehardwoods.com (Awesome site!)


But at $1000 for the piece of wood, my expensive taste extends from wood to aluminum back to wood again. Plus, most very exotic woods are only feasable as veneers which won't work well with the heat. Also, wood is flammable.

When I first saw the ashtray, aluminum shot into my head. I think that's why I'm running with that.


Now as for the piece of wood above. I could probably get solid aluminum legs machined and... WAIT... Back to the ashtray...
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That piece is beautiful!! It would make a great ashtray. While I'm not in the woodworking business, I do have a lot of hand-me-down knowledge. I learned what woods work good for ashtrays and can tell you in sincere form that you couldn't burn most exotic woods if you tried. Add to that a nice spray finish and you've got a very durable piece. Might want to consider some other woods than those you suspect might burn or otherwise be trouble. I use some really rare woods that cost no more than 30-40 bucks. Even burls are cheap now. I just sprayed the first coat on this very simple CNC'd exotic wood yesterday.


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Wood= $30 - $40 a piece.
Where do I find such beautiful wood?
Gives me a reason to go out and by wood working tools.
Now to buy somebody to clean up the garage after I learn to use these tools.
 
GrtndpwrflOZ said:
Wood= $30 - $40 a piece.
Where do I find such beautiful wood?
Gives me a reason to go out and by wood working tools.
Now to buy somebody to clean up the garage after I learn to use these tools.
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North America has some of the best prices on wood. With the exception of some burls, most wood capable of being machined into an ashtray will cost you from $15-$75. The cocobolo piece I had is fairly easy to come by, although finding any wood in 8/4 or 12/4 is sometimes hard. Basically you just look for the good deals on good pieces.
 
GrtndpwrflOZ said:
I just sent a print of a 9" round tray to my machinist for a quote. I'm curious to see what he comes back with.
I am thinking it is going to be crazy high $$$.

Aluminum......


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I'm having a feeling the round will be more expensive then the square. It's coming from the same block of aluminum, but requires a LOT more machine time. It also need something else to give it a little bit more interest. Like either legs or a cool industrial design.

Silk screening would be awesome on these. As well, once we get the ashtrays, they could be plated in silver, gold or platinum.
 
I don't want to discourage anyone from using aluminum, but I know from experience it sucks all kinds. Sure it looks slick but it oxidizes quickly if unprotected. You need to use automotive finishes on it if you want to protect it, however, I've not found a good finish that resists yellowing from cigar heat. what's worse, as soon as there is a small scratch in the finish, the coating will let air and moisture in, next comes that dreaded pitting and flaking. We've all seen it on car our cars rims :mad:

Again... not trying to discourage it. :D
 
Footbag said:
I'm having a feeling the round will be more expensive then the square. It's coming from the same block of aluminum, but requires a LOT more machine time. It also need something else to give it a little bit more interest. Like either legs or a cool industrial design.

Silk screening would be awesome on these. As well, once we get the ashtrays, they could be plated in silver, gold or platinum.
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Put some reliefs in the bottom, maybe three of them 1" each. Just a sugegstion.
 
-MG- said:
I get most of mine at Rockler, Woodcraft, and places online such as:
http://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/store/Turning_Materials___Turning_Blanks?Args=

Not sure if it's the best pricing, but it's worked well for me.
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Great links, I've never seen prices like that, although not much 8X8X3 stock is available. It is a great option though. I really wouldn't mind getting a few of the current designs made in wood just as prototypes. If anyone is willing to try to turn out a few wooden prototypes, I would be willing to buy some of the wood stock.
I'm not sure how tough it is to set up a mill to cut wood, or if our current designs would be easily plugged into the computer or if it's more hand work. As long as there are no unforseen expenses, there would be an ashtray in it for you.
Until I have interest for over 25 aluminum ashtrays, though, I'm still getting quotes. I'm thinking the most I'd pay is about $250 for the aluminum.


If we could only make them out of used cigar butt's and beer caps.:r
 
Footbag said:
...I'm not sure how tough it is to set up a mill to cut wood, or if our current designs would be easily plugged into the computer or if it's more hand work.
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Setting up the CNC is the same regardless of the material. Wood is far easier to work with for many reasons, some so simple you'd never even have thought of it. I suspect because of this you will get great prices from wood shops. I like your prototype idea, if anything you could leave the wood unfinished and use it as a tray for punches/cutters/lighters/etc. I've done that with a few myself.
 
GrtndpwrflOZ said:
I just sent a print of a 9" round tray to my machinist for a quote. I'm curious to see what he comes back with.
I am thinking it is going to be crazy high $$$.

Aluminum......

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I am a project manager for a machine tool spindle repair facility. We have the equipment to make this stuff if anyone needs a quote. We also repair machines for thousands of shops that could produce this as well. I'd be happy to do any legwork required on sourcing this.

I believe Tzaddi has redone the CS LLG round logo in Illustrator. If so we can't be far from porting that over to a DWG and CAD/CAM can we? Be a sweet marca on the bottom (or somewhere more prominent if the design allows).

If we have the talent here to finalize the design, provide CAD drawings and machinging programs on the free we might get the cost low enough to do a group buy.
 
yayson said:
I am a project manager for a machine tool spindle repair facility. We have the equipment to make this stuff if anyone needs a quote. We also repair machines for thousands of shops that could produce this as well. I'd be happy to do any legwork required on sourcing this.

I believe Tzaddi has redone the CS LLG round logo in Illustrator. If so we can't be far from porting that over to a DWG and CAD/CAM can we? Be a sweet marca on the bottom (or somewhere more prominent if the design allows).

If we have the talent here to finalize the design, provide CAD drawings and machinging programs on the free we might get the cost low enough to do a group buy.
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I think the strategy right now is to get as many quotes as possible. Feel free to try. If you can use the current drawings, then give them a shot. Also, any insight on cost saving would be great.
I'm willing to do a good amount of the work, and put up some money; but everything I know about CAD and machining I learned yesterday. So take it FWIW.
 
Footbag said:
I know many of you have seen the CAO Cubist ashtray.
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Yes, it's awesome and I want one, but I don't smoke many CAO's. So rather then posing or buying a bunch of CAO's to justify the ashtray, I'm considering having a similar one made.
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Group buy!!!​

I know of a gent thats sitting on 10 of these puppy's and would let'em go for $90 a pop! I'm good for one myself, anyone interested?
 
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