Casa Funte prices

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http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61961

I didnt want to thread jack his post so I started a new thread.

That is what pisses me off to know end with this Casa Fuente mess. They are allowed buy Fuente to price gouge. Yet they threaten the other dealers for selling over MSRP.Casa Fuente has a somewhat never ending supply of Opus and Anejos also. This part of the reason I have swore off Fuente products all together. I have friends in the industry and they can trat their dealers like crap.
 
RJT said:
http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61961

I didnt want to thread jack his post so I started a new thread.

That is what pisses me off to know end with this Casa Fuente mess. They are allowed buy Fuente to price gouge. Yet they threaten the other dealers for selling over MSRP.Casa Fuente has a somewhat never ending supply of Opus and Anejos also. This part of the reason I have swore off Fuente products all together. I have friends in the industry and they can trat their dealers like crap.
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I guess you stopped giggling? Man, just as I had started also. :r

Anyway, I definitely understand your point, and I'd probably feel the exact same way if I had friends in the business, but since I don't, I'll just refuse to support casa fuente, but I'll continue smoking fuentes I get at my local B+M.
 
I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree with you, but you aren't going to find anyone on the strip in Vegas that sells MSRP.

The thing that bothers me the most is the never ending supply of Opus and Anejo's that you mentioned. When other dealers a clamoring for these, the Casa Fuente always has them. Let's face it, there are a lot of cigar smokers out there that never make it to Vegas. It think that point is lost on the Fuente's.

With that said, I have not sworn off of their product.
 
I understand your guys point. However I will say this, I am not trying to start a boycott but this is the reason they can get away with what they do. People still buy not matter what they do.
 
G-Man said:
I understand what you are saying and I don't disagree with you, but you aren't going to find anyone on the strip in Vegas that sells MSRP.
The thing that bothers me the most is the never ending supply of Opus and Anejo's that you mentioned. When other dealers a clamoring for these, the Casa Fuente always has them. Let's face it, there are a lot of cigar smokers out there that never make it to Vegas. It think that point is lost on the Fuente's.

With that said, I have not sworn off of their product.
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What about the other shops in other "high rent" areas of the country? Still not fair. If they let each shop set there own prices then fine. Also they require there dealers to buy all the less sought (Montesino) after stuff in certain volume to qualify for the good sticks.
 
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Casa Fuente is a showroom of sorts for the Fuente line. It makes sense that they should have a complete stock of cigars. As for the prices, well- let’s hope the tables are on your side then the cigars are free. Many B&M’s dislike dealing with Fuente, and honestly, the Opus line is overrated; the way they’ve marketed the DR wrapper is just hype. Fuente and Shanken are making something out of nothing and the old timers prefer the Don Carlos line. I would never turn my nose to one, but I can't imagine a box of Opus will be in my cabinet.

In Vegas, prices are like nothing...
 
RJT said:
What Carlos says about it. Straight from Cigar Family website.

http://www.cigarfamily.com/news/prices.htm
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I think I should email that to the B+M near me, they price gouge the hell out of me... Not as bad as some, but bad enough.

The only thing I'd ever buy at Casa Fuente would be a Casa Fuente Robusto. I just want to try the line, and I'd probabaly never buy another one. I'd like to try a Forbidden X, but they just cost too damn much to justify, and I can't afford them either. :r
 
I do know that a portion of the Casa Fuente house brand cigar sales go to the CFCF. I don't know what percentage or if that applies to all of them though.

The store also pays an annual royalty fee to the CFCF as well.
 
Its Vegas !!!

First do you think they pay as little rent as your local B&M. They probably pay 100% more. So in order to do that they need to keep up with Vegas prices.

The house brand cigars are priced high but it is there house brand and they can ask what they want.

The Opus, Anejos Etc, Etc are priced higher but you are paying for the atmosphere as well. If you dont want to pay that price, go to your local B&M if they have them and get them there. You are also paying for the luxury of availabilty.

Its Vegas, did you expect them to have a sale. :r Someones gotta pay those pretty waitresses that bring the Mojitos over to you.
 
RPB67 said:
Its Vegas !!!

First do you think they pay as little rent as your local B&M. They probably pay 100% more. So in order to do that they need to keep up with Vegas prices.

The house brand cigars are priced high but it is there house brand and they can ask what they want.

The Opus, Anejos Etc, Etc are priced higher but you are paying for the atmosphere as well. If you dont want to pay that price, go to your local B&M if they have them and get them there. You are also paying for the luxury of availabilty.

Its Vegas, did you expect them to have a sale. :r Someones gotta pay those pretty waitresses that bring the Mojitos over to you.
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Hey its free enterprise and Casa should be able to do what they want and charge what they want. I am saying it is not being fair to other retailers that buy Fuente products. You shouldnt have 2 sets of rules each retailer should be treated "somewhat" equal.
 
RJT said:
What about the other shops in other "high rent" areas of the country? Still not fair. If they let each shop set there own prices then fine. Also they require there dealers to buy all the less sought (Montesino) after stuff in certain volume to qualify for the good sticks.
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Car manufacturers do the same thing. The dealers get shipped the crap to get the hot selling models. Dealers used to be required to buy the factory sold computer systems also. Way overpriced also. Cost of having the line I guess

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It's not just Casa Fuente, it's any upscale retailor in the shopping arcades at Caesar's and all the other major hotels.

You want to buy a black blazer for $3500.? A Cartier or Panerai watch at 40% above msrp? A mediocre meal with ordinary wine for $400.?

People go to Vegas to have fun, and simply suspend good judgement when it comes to spending.
Hey, there's a market for everything, including overpriced luxury items.

I happen to love Vegas, it's pure escape from reality. But when I am there I don't go shopping except on a modest scale. But I LOVE the whole atmosphere of luxury, fun and just plain letting loose.

If I ever won say $50,000. at roulette I just might spend some of it at the Forum Shops!:2 Larry.
 
As a business owner, (not in the cigar biz) I tend to look at these types of posts from the perspective of the business owner/operator. Don't get me wrong, I'm a MAJOR lover of fine cigars (check out a prior thread of my porn)

http://clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=60307

I'm not defending Casa Fuente in any way, just offering a perspective-

A few reasons I can speculate on the reasons for such high prices at Casa Fuente (I've never been there, but plan to visit and NOT purchase cigars there)

#1 Honestly, what do you think having a shop of any kind (in terms of leasing the space) costs in the famed Ceasars Palace? Just a guess here, but I'd say at least 5 - 10K per month. In other words, it's probably 20 times the cost of leasing or operating a B&M next to "the neighborhood grocery store"

#2 Taxes in Las Vegas are probably higher

#3 If prices were competitively priced at the Casa Fuente, they could never keep ANYTHING in stock. I don't care how much Fuente product they could get. If I owned it, I'd rather the complaint be "They're so expensive" rather than "yeah they're prices are fair, but I went all the way out there and they didin't have anything in stock" I believe Fuente has stated that they will not increase production by more than 2 or 3 percent to maintain a great product line.

I could name many other probabilities of such high prices.


I really like the Fuente lines but I simply don't buy into the hype machine. I smoke many different cigars and make my own decisions on what I like.
 
Let me say this. This post was not to complain about Casa Fuente at all. It was to complain about the way Fuente has what looks like to be different standards for different retailers. They are not being fair across the board. I say let Casa sell them for what ever the market will bear but let everyone else do the same. Also be fair about how you distribute all the lines you carry. Not real fair for a 20 year Fuente dealer to have to struggle to get Opus/ Anejo in a couple times a year but others can get it all the time. I am not a Fuente dealer and have no direct knowledge but have friends in the industry that are and have heard others complain about similar issues.

Just my :2 (which isnt worth much)
 
JamesRoberts said:
As a business owner, (not in the cigar biz) I tend to look at these types of posts from the perspective of the business owner/operator.

#1 Honestly, what do you think having a shop of any kind (in terms of leasing the space) costs in the famed Ceasars Palace?
Should't a retailer in midtown Manhattan where rents are equally high not be allowed to make up their own rules, too?

#2 Taxes in Las Vegas are probably higher
In New York City, and other states and municipalities, too.

#3 If prices were competitively priced at the Casa Fuente, they could never keep ANYTHING in stock.
See my reply to argument #1.
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James, I agree with your line of thinking, and I don't think anyone here is disputing the economics of it. I think the question is the double standard.

I also love the Fuente line, and have a handful of favorites (858, Hemingway, Rothschild) which I'm able to get on a consistent basis. I also like the Opus and Anejos, and when I get them, set 'em aside for special occasions.

The rest of the time I smoke other cigars that are awesome in their own right, like ERDM Robusto Oscuro, Punch Rare Corojo, Maria Guerrero, CAO MX2, and so on. So I tend to not get too hung up on the 'unfairness' of it all, though I agree the hypocrisy rankles just in terms of the principle and disingenuous nature of it all.
 
it's not just the fuentes or casa fuentes. i mean davidoff does this too. so do general cigars & altides & the padrons.

they make retailers jump through hoops to get their product, and a lot of times the percentage they make on that product is tremendously low.
 
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