Did I get a good deal.....

[bazookajoe]

After reading this thread, I will take these smokes back on Monday when the owner is in, and let him know. Thanks for all the input.

Bob, you're a stand up guy. We all make mistakes, but it's to your credit that you are willing to listen to the opinions of others and take constructive criticism. Very rare these days. And the fact that these guys were able to express their differences in a civil manner speaks highly of this board.

 

[lenguamor]

I agree. Please lets not turn this thread into a roasting of Cigar Bob.

Everyone get off their high horse or stop casting stones when we live in glass houses.

How many of us import/smoke Cubans (myself included)...knowing it is breaking US Law? Besides breaking US law the money we spend eventually goes to Castro...I know it is not our intention to support this evil man. So Please Give Cigar Bob the benefit...

The difference is the same as the difference between the terms malum in se, and malum prohibitum.

Malum in se (plural mala in se) is a Latin phrase wrong in itself; it is an act that is illegal from the nature of the act, i.e. it is considered inherently evil without any fact of its being noticed or punished; such crimes as larceny, rape and murder are considered malum in se. This concept was used to develop the various common law meaning crimes.

Malum prohibitum (plural mala prohibita, literal translation: "wrong because prohibited") is a Latin phrase used in law to refer to crimes made so by statute, as opposed to crimes based on English common law and obvious violations of society's standards which are defined as malum in se. An offense that is malum prohibitum, for example, may not appear on the face to directly violate moral standards: an example is the law against insider trading, where the simple act of sharing information may not be wrong in itself, but only because of its context in a larger framework of regulated trading. Parking violations, speeding, driving or fishing without a license, and voyeurism also fall in this category.

The difference:

"Criminal offenses can be broken down into two general categories -- malum in se and malum prohibitum. The distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses is best characterized as follows: a malum in se offense is "naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community," whereas a malum prohibitum offense is wrong only because a statute makes it so. State v. Horton, 139 N.C. 588, 51 S.E. 945, 946 (1905) ... "Public welfare offenses" are a subset of malum prohibitum offenses as they are typically regulatory in nature and often "'result in no direct or immediate injury to person or property but merely create the danger or probability of it which the law seeks to minimize.' "

There's a real difference, alright.

 

[Gargamel]

The difference is the same as the difference between the terms malum in se, and malum prohibitum.





The difference:



There's a real difference, alright.

Sounds like we got a lawyer on our hands. Might have to start throwing these terms around

 

[Blaylock]

I applaud those of you who have suggested to cigarbob to contact the store and inform someone of the mistake that was made. I jumped in and gave a “light-hearted” comment toward his purchase. I‘ve given this alot of thought since my initial response and I think many of us, if not at the moment of purchase, but at some time later, would have come to the conclusion that this was wrong, gone back to the store, and talked to the owner about it. It’s just the right thing to do.

This thread has been a valuable reminder to me, that every post I make is a reflection on me as a person and with that comes the responsibility of trying to think things through before a comment is made.

 

[lenguamor]

Sounds like we got a lawyer on our hands. Might have to start throwing these terms around

:r Not a lawyer...but I dated several.

 

[KASR]

Also looking for the update on how this end up on Monday. Bob: i think you'll find that your rewards gained by doing the right thing, outweighs a godly deal/mistake at your B&M. Often times, the admiration and respect of your CS BOTL's and SOTL's will net you more than what you originally purchased...and then some.

 

[WTucker999]

After reading this thread, I will take these smokes back on Monday when the owner is in, and let him know. Thanks for all the input.

Way to go! As a former small business owner, I can appreciate your honesty in doing this. An employee can absolutely wreck your business before you catch up with what's going on. They can either be giving stuff away or running off customers by being rude or incompetent. Either way, if something is wrong, I know that I always wanted to hear about it so I could FIX it.

:sb

 

[drill]

After reading this thread, I will take these smokes back on Monday when the owner is in, and let him know. Thanks for all the input.

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correct move sir,
the respect you will gain will far outweigh the enjoyment you would have gotten from the cigars.

great decision!!!

k
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a little side note to the guys who suggested running back and getting everything you could

that is the same as STEALING!
right is right and wrong is wrong

k

 

[fireman43]

Hat's off to you for doing the right thing IMO. Everyone likes a deal, but sometimes it's not really a deal, but a mistake on the businesses part. That cashier could have very well lost her job, or at the minimum had to pay the difference. Many places hold the employee accountable for those kind of mistakes. I know I am repeating what many have already said, but glad you decided to make the right decision in my book.

 

[LORD PUFFER]

These are the decisions that define what person one is. You have character my friend, and doing the right thing will pay double back than the worth of your savings.

 

[cigarbob]

So time for the update......


I went back to the B&M early this morning, sat down with the Owner in his office and explained the situation which he was already aware of. He told me that he appreciated my honesty, and he told me to keep the box as it was their mistake. What a guy, I was ready to give the box back!! Thanks for all the great input/voices of reason!! I really appreciate it. :ss :ss Now about those pictures.......

 

[bazookajoe]

So time for the update......


I went back to the B&M early this morning, sat down with the Owner in his office and explained the situation which he was already aware of. He told me that he appreciated my honesty, and he told me to keep the box as it was their mistake. What a guy, I was ready to give the box back!! Thanks for all the great input/voices of reason!! I really appreciate it. :ss :ss Now about those pictures.......

Very cool. There is always a reward for doing the right thing. It may not always be getting to keep the loot, but it's there. I'll bet you'll enjoy those smokes twice as much now. Good for you.:ss

 

[jitzy]

what did he say was gonna happen to the girl who sold them to you?

 

[discdog]

So as it turns out, not only did you get a great deal, you also have shown what a stand up guy with principles looks like. Good show!

 

[mastershogun]

enjoy your smokes... they are great :ss

 

[n3uka]

First - WTG bob, you did the right thing.

Second - curious on peoples thoughts on this one
http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=61425
similiar idea with getting cigars at 25% of retail

the only comment was from burninator with concern for the salespersons job.
Having dealt with burninator I know he is a very stand up guy.

Not knocking any of the comments in this or the previous post.

I run a furniture store and mistakes are made. We learn from them and move on.
If we make a mistake it is honored and not made again. The customer is not screwing us,
we screwed ourselves.

 

[borndead1]

I would find out what the store owner's favorite beer/liqour is and get him some.

 

[carni]

That was a great read, i felt like I was reading a great novel about the inner struggle of right and wrong.

 

[icehog3]

Those smokes will taste that much sweeter now!

 

[mdtaggart]

:sb
**edit* glad to see Gargamel beat me to this post and that he agrees with me. Other than him, what I see here is a good list of people not to do a trade, split, or pass with.

Sorry, but I just can't get past this. As one the "go get more" guys, I feel the need to reply. Before passing judgement on one your fellow BOTL, you might consider that I was also the first to point out this was an obvious screw up, and also pointed out what those smokes were really worth. I think much is lost in the written word, when it comes to a tongue in cheek comment. I know most of the BOTL that said "go get more", probably were just joking around, and when push comes to shove would not actually do it ( some might). I am glad Bob decided to go talk to the owner about this.
I think we have witnessed jumping on the band wagon from both sides here.
one side saying go get more, and the other beating on Bob with the stick of shame. Don't get me wrong, I think it is good to point out someones mistakes sometimes, if it is done in kindness. I would advise caution in passing judgement on anyone. By the way I love the PAM exclusivos and I am in the middle of a split on a box of these beauties. If I have ended up on someones "do not" trade or split list then so be it. Feel free to correct me if I make a mistake, it has happened before and it probably will happen again. :ss
Just ask my wife.