Actually I completely agree with this post. You can go back to the advent of mail order businesses (Sears, Penny's) and see a very similair effect.But this is capitalism, no? With the internet, certain traditional businesses must evolve or die. Harsh, I know, especially when people have spent a lot of time becoming valued customers and sometimes friends with their local B%M's, but thats the nature of the game. Arguing that the cigar taxes are putting people out of business because of online sales is basically arguing that B&M owners need some sort of government protection to stay in business. Bottom line is that people find the lowest price and buy at that price. Those who don't compete go away. Even if all taxes were abolished on tobacco, internet sites would be able to sell cigars cheaper due to lower operating costs.
If the government wanted to tax cigars and keep small businesses alive, they'd have to also start collecting taxes on internet sales across state lines which would ensure that the prices wouldn't be different whether you ordered online or walked over to your local B&M.
Ask the big music companies how their profits are looking now that with the advent of itunes and similar services we no longer have to buy a whole CD or record just for one song. Or how about the big TV networks and Cable stations, who now have to compete against the internet as the main entertainment source in people's homes.
Just my :2 and probably bad economic/business analysisand for the record I am against high tobacco taxes because naturally as a cigar smoker, I want to buy cigars at as low a cost as possible.
Gov. Schwarzenegger banned from Sacramento cigar shop
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Heck it's not the taxes that force me to the devil site, it's the mark up. $18 a Gurkha Beast at the B&M, box of 5 at the devil site averaged out at $8 a stick. I get they need to charge a bit more for the walls, electricity, etc, but a 125% more??? I like going in and getting single sticks, butane, a tin or two but fiscally it's just not something I can afford. Truley makes this new guy wonder about teh cigar pricing world.
I didn't know he was a member here, I knew he was a member over at cp.
I hope he does. I'd buy him a drink and a smoke for making the stand that he did. If there were any politician that came into my shop, I'd do the same!!!
Ron
Hammerhead
2B1 ASK1
Re: Local cigar shop refuses service to the Govenator
I don't know if this has been proposed yet, but perhaps the way to help them make a stand on this is to arrange a BUYcott. You know what a boycott is, a buycott is the inverse.
Is there someone who'd be willing to coordinate a group buy from them? It'd be a great way for us to help push back on the nanny-state if we had thousands of dollars in purchases to this particular store that they could publicize.
Just a thought...
I don't know if this has been proposed yet, but perhaps the way to help them make a stand on this is to arrange a BUYcott. You know what a boycott is, a buycott is the inverse.
Is there someone who'd be willing to coordinate a group buy from them? It'd be a great way for us to help push back on the nanny-state if we had thousands of dollars in purchases to this particular store that they could publicize.
Just a thought...
smokeyscotch
Illusione Pimp Ho
I applaud these people. We need more like them.:tu
Re: Local cigar shop refuses service to the Govenator
Great idea!!!!!!!! Give me a day or so to work something out, then I'll post up!!!!!
Ron
Great idea!!!!!!!! Give me a day or so to work something out, then I'll post up!!!!!
Ron
Even Steven
SilverBack
This whole thing must have been embarrassing for him. He went in there probably with a smile on his face expecting some kind of warm welcome, thinking he'll satisfy his crave for a good cigar and he gets shut down! hahahah
"I got a headache, IT'S NOT A TUMAH!!"
"I got a headache, IT'S NOT A TUMAH!!"
You're making an assumption that he is slow witted. Is that based on your personal knowledge or just the fact that you don't like him?
emeraldsmoke
Young Ape
Cant find anything on the net to verify any of the Arnold stuff.
NorcalMark
Young Chimp
Hey guys,
I want to thank you for the kind words. My father started this small b&m 41 years ago. My aunt worked at the store. My grandfather worked in the store.
I grew up in and around the store. I have worked for my father for close to 16 years.
I never intended or dreamed of getting rich doing what I do. I do it for the love of the leaf. And it keeps me close to my father who still works with me at the store. We still do things the old fashion way. We still make deals with a hand shake not a contract and a lawyer. Because you are only as good as your word. If the deal smells, we get rid of it.
My sign was my way of protesting something I didn't and still don't think is right. I never intended for this to make the paper let alone the news. I don't
seek the limelight or wish to be famous. Although I'd like to see that Katherine Heigl chick up close and personal. LOL
I do what I do for the love of the industry. Not to get rich, but to take care of my family, live a comfortable life. I wake up everyday wondering what is next. I just found out yesterday that another group has filed an initiative to raise the tobacco tax on cigars and cigarettes. This is shortly after the house speakers plan failed.
IT NEVER ENDS.
Again thank you for the kind words. Keep up the fight in your own states, because if you think it won't happen to you or in your state, you are sadly mistaken.
Mark Just
Owner/President
Tower Pipes & Cigars.
I want to thank you for the kind words. My father started this small b&m 41 years ago. My aunt worked at the store. My grandfather worked in the store.
I grew up in and around the store. I have worked for my father for close to 16 years.
I never intended or dreamed of getting rich doing what I do. I do it for the love of the leaf. And it keeps me close to my father who still works with me at the store. We still do things the old fashion way. We still make deals with a hand shake not a contract and a lawyer. Because you are only as good as your word. If the deal smells, we get rid of it.
My sign was my way of protesting something I didn't and still don't think is right. I never intended for this to make the paper let alone the news. I don't
seek the limelight or wish to be famous. Although I'd like to see that Katherine Heigl chick up close and personal. LOL
I do what I do for the love of the industry. Not to get rich, but to take care of my family, live a comfortable life. I wake up everyday wondering what is next. I just found out yesterday that another group has filed an initiative to raise the tobacco tax on cigars and cigarettes. This is shortly after the house speakers plan failed.
IT NEVER ENDS.
Again thank you for the kind words. Keep up the fight in your own states, because if you think it won't happen to you or in your state, you are sadly mistaken.
Mark Just
Owner/President
Tower Pipes & Cigars.