How to properly freeze cigars?

ColdCuts said:
I got those particular cigars from RGD. We did a trade. In his previous post, he's saying that he personally already froze these smokes. So, if I were to do it again, it would just be redundant. :)
They were probably frozen by the distribuor as well before they even left the door. Common practice in the industry.

:ms NCRM
 
montecristo#2 said:
That makes it much clearer.

Can't beat the service, frozen and vacuum sealed, can I send all my smokes to RGD for the same treatment?

Sure you can - for only $19.95 plus shipping, handling - but wait, there's more - :r :r

Ron
 
Posted this question in another thread as well....

As a method of protecting/preserving the cigars prior to freezing...

What about vacuum packing the entire box of cigars, then following a controlled freezing/thawing procedure and removing the box from the vacuum bag and into a humidor/coolidor?

I suppose I could take a few and try.

I vacuum pack fish and game meats every year (several hundred pounds of venison each year). The game meat and fish is exceptional even after as many as five years in the freezer.

I would sure hate to have my meager yet prized stash munched to pieces by critters!
 
Tahquamenon said:
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What about vacuum packing the entire box of cigars, then following a controlled freezing/thawing procedure and removing the box from the vacuum bag and into a humidor/coolidor?. . .

That's what I do - just pack up the whole box. When you do singles - be careful to make sure you have some control over it.


Ron
 
Ok so I just bought my first box of cigars and am thinking about freezing them as a precautionary measure. I read the last two posts above me and am wondering if it is really necessary to place the box of cigars in a vacum sealed bag?
If so, i dont have a vacum sealer, are there any place or shops that can vacum seal things for you? Or do i have to purchase a vacum sealer?

Thank you guys I appreciate your input
 
Gorilla In The Mist said:
am wondering if it is really necessary to place the box of cigars in a vacum sealed bag? If so, i dont have a vacum sealer, are there any place or shops that can vacum seal things for you? Or do i have to purchase a vacum sealer?

Hey, welcome to CS Gorilla In The Mist! No, you don't have to vacuum-seal your cigars before freezing. If you have the technology to do so, great, it may help protect your cigars. If not, just put 'em into a Ziploc Freezer Bag--two if you'd like--and squeeze all the air out. Then, follow directions from post #3. Good luck! Let us know how it goes.
 
ColdCuts said:
Hey, welcome to CS Gorilla In The Mist! No, you don't have to vacuum-seal your cigars before freezing. If you have the technology to do so, great, it may help protect your cigars. If not, just put 'em into a Ziploc Freezer Bag--two if you'd like--and squeeze all the air out. Then, follow directions from post #3. Good luck! Let us know how it goes.

Exactly.

You just want to make sure of two things:

1. there is as little air as possible bag that could condense into water which will get onto your cigars
2. SEALED to keep air from getting in and to keep the freezer from dehydrating your precious cigars, since that's the way freezers (and refrigerators) do their thing
 
Great advice everyone, Ive learned alot on this thread and other that Ive read. I like the list you posted icehog, I dont have a vacuum packer thing-a-ma-jig so I'll just get as much air out as possible.

Uh do we take the cello off or leave it on? what about the ones wrapped in tissue paper or the ones I wrapped myself? :r j/k :D
 
I have used double ziplock bags, and some with just 2-3 layers of saran wrap, and the cigars are always fine. Vacuum sealing is ideal but most of us don't have the means to do this, so just do what you can. I'm an firm beleiver in the fridge-freezer-fridge-counter-humi principle; make the temperature change slow so humid cigars don't split their wrappers. Home freezers (even deep freezes) aren't cold enough to flash freeze as mentioned above.

It really is a good practice to take part in. Our community would be better off if everyone did- imagine getting a bomb or trade, only to find those are the sticks infested with beetles that ruined a good portion of your stash?
I'd be livid.
 
ColdCuts, Drawfour and audio1der:

Thanks for the info gentlemen, I'm going to go out and get some large freezer bags hopefully today and put these boxes on ice like you mentioned.
 
I've been using the 1 day refer, 3 day freezer, 1 day refer, 1 day sitting out method ever since I had an infestation, and I've had no more problems. I've done this with all incoming cigars I get...gifts, trades, NC/C purchases...everything. Too hot down here to trust anything.

Begin thread hijack:
We use the term "beetles", but is it actually the beetle that eats a hole out of the cigar? I was thinking it was actually the beetle larva that are responsible for the holes - then eventually they turn into a beetle. I never saw any beetle bodies when I disected my infected sticks is why I ask. I was thinking I caught mine before they could develope fully into a beetle???
End thread hijack
 
Gorilla In The Mist said:
ColdCuts, Drawfour and audio1der:

Thanks for the info gentlemen, I'm going to go out and get some large freezer bags hopefully today and put these boxes on ice like you mentioned.
Glad to help GITM. It's hard for me to take credit though. Everything I know about freezing, and a lot of other cigar stuff, I learned here at CS! :)
 
From CW:

Cigar Beetle eggs can be killed by exposure to temperatures easily obtainable by home refrigerators/freezers. An industrial deep freeze is not required, as rumor has indicated.

There is a direct correlation between the time it takes to kill and temperature. The colder the temp, the shorter it takes to kill eggs.

The figures below are time to kill 95% (abbreviated LT95) of eggs exposed to the environment. Keep this in mind when applying these figures to cigars because 1) we want to kill 100% of eggs and 2) any eggs inside our cigars have a thick layer of insulating tobacco that must be cooled before the eggs will reach that temperature.

5c (41f) requires ~12 days (275 hours)
0c (32f) requires ~9 days (220 hours)
-5c (23f) requires ~4 days (100 hours)
-10c (14f) requires less than 24 hours
-15c (5f) requires less than 24 hours
-20c (-4f) requires less than 24 hours


The length of time you should freeze your cigars depends on the temperature your freezer is at. I highly recommend that everyone using their freezer to treat cigars keeps a fridge/freezer thermometer in there so they know roughly what temp range their freezer runs at. These are available at most grocery stores, usually with baking supplies. From experience I have seen home freezers that run anywhere from 1 degree below freezing to as low as -25c.
Right now I am trying to get data on how long it takes a cigar to go from room temp to 5c, and from 5c to -20c. Based on data from other consumables I estimate it would take a cigar at least 24 hours to reach the same temperature as the freezer (equilibrium) when it is moved into the freezer from the refrigerator. Based on this alone one should add 24 hours to amount of time cigars are kept in the freezer.
The times given above are to kill 95% of eggs. I have not found times required to kill 99.9% of eggs but doubling the LT95 for that temperature should be more than sufficient.

IN SUMMARY

Double bag your cigars and let them spend 24 hours in the refrigerator. I think everyone agrees that this gives the cigars a safe transition from room temp to near freezing. Move the cigars into the freezer. How long they should stay there depends on your freezer temp. If it is below -10c 72 hours in the freezer should be sufficient. That's 24 hours to get the cigars to -10c, 24 hours to kill 95% of eggs, and an extra 24 hours for good measure. When coming out of the freezer it is a good idea to let the cigars spend 24 hours in the fridge, and another 24 hours at room temp STILL SEALED IN THE BAGS. This protects the cigars from rapid changes in temp/humidity.

I know there are some out there who prefer to avoid freezing because of potential damage to cigars and the rest period required afterwards. The time required will vary greatly based upon the temp of your fridge. Keep in mind the temp will also fluctuate based on door opening/closing etc. (Although this occurs in the freezer, it is less of an issue due to the comparatively short time required) With an LT95 of 12 days at 5c I would personally keep cigars in there for at least 3 weeks.

This information should be applied to uninfested cigars for prevention of a beetle outbreak. If you have cigars that are infested or you know have been exposed to beetles they should be subjected to more lengthy treatment because they will presumably have far more eggs present than any uninfested cigars that picked up some eggs during manufacture.

I'm bumping this post because it's summer and the time to worry about beetles. I put a hygro in my freezer yesterday and was happy to see it's temp is -4.4F :D
 
A very good friend of mine whos been smoking cigars WAY more time than I have told me that freezing cigars is a VERY delicate subject, as you just dont throw your boxes into the freezer then into the fridge. Condensation is cigars worst enemy and must be avoided at all costs , or else you run the risk of condensation taking away all the flavor of the tobacco. Dont know if this is true or not, but every box Ive frozen just as Ive learned here all turned out to lose flavor as compared to those I didnt freeze. What do you guys think of this???
PLF :rolleyes:
 
i know moore and bode cigars out of miami puts the cigars in a dipping dots type freezer right after they are rolled to make sure her product doesnt have bugs. hope all the other owners would do it also.
 
Being failry new to cigars but quickly getting a big collection....I am admittedly paranoid about my precious collection gettin chewed up...

I freeze EVERYTHING. (the one exception being a vintage tubo)
double bagged in ziplock freezer bags.
fridge for about 24hrs
freezer for 3-5 days depending on if i forget them or not :D
fridge for 24hrs then into the humi

so far it has worked i guess...but I do need to get a thermometer in the freezer just to be sure.
 
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