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Kwilkinson said:
20 new threads with only ~60 posts???


My guess is that this is someone on the forum who made a ghost account just to F with the rest of us! :r
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Posts like this are even more detrimental to the community than what you are complaining about.

Having an inside peek to what goes on around these parts, I can pretty much assure you that your guess is :BS

Mark THS said:
:tpd: I really dont want to single guevara out, because this goes for a lot of people around here- but I really think he would benefit from an introduction and maybe a few PM's with more established guys. There were a few posts a while ago where guevara was adamant about keeping his RH% at 75+ (and even a couple other posts with mis-information about cigar RG). A few of the more respected and established posters made objections- that would have been a nice opportunity for him to shoot some PM's and get to know a few guys and pick up some helpful info..

Its always a learning process, it just comes easier for some.. :2
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Posts like this are constructive and far more helpful.
 
If nothing I have already done hasn't yet killed me it just isnt worth worrying about the statistical improbability of mouth cancer.
 
pnoon said:
Posts like this are even more detrimental to the community than what you are complaining about.

Having an inside peek to what goes on around these parts, I can pretty much assure you that your guess is :BS
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you're in on it, aren't you?
 
chippewastud79 said:
I am more concerned about what crazy question you will ask next. :hn

Try reading and trying to be a part of the community rather than just asking random questions and only starting threads.

How about an introduction in the New Gorilla Forum and let everyone know a little about you. :tu
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:tpd:
 
The sun can give you skin cancer.
Alcohol will give you liver problems.
Red meat can give you heart problems.
Sex can kill you now.
Cigars can give you mouth cancer.
My wife could kill me when she see's what I spent this month.

To be completely honest with you brother if I were to give up all of those things I would rather just end it all right now.
 
Mystophales said:
The sun can give you skin cancer.
Alcohol will give you liver problems.
Red meat can give you heart problems.
Sex can kill you now.
Cigars can give you mouth cancer.
My wife could kill me when she see's what I spent this month.

To be completely honest with you brother if I were to give up all of those things I would rather just end it all right now.
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Or, as I like to do, enjoy them all in moderation and die a happy man.
 
In all seriousness, are there significant risks of larynx or skin cancer from smoking cigars? I was under the impression that smoking 1-2 cigars a day posed much less serious health risks than a pack of cigarettes a day.

I quit cigarettes 3 times, and am hoping this cigar hobby will keep me off them permanently.
 
My useless post.

It's probably more dangerous to:

1. Drive in a car
2. Sleep with random girls for the fun of it...or just because your bored
3. Drink ourselves silly
4. Eat fast food
5. Go out in the sun without SPF
6. Use Irish Spring soap
7. Drink Soda
8. Waist time thinking of these things
9. Work as an electrician
10. :mn
 
The way that I have it figured is it may take a while to get mouth cancer from smoking. You might as well enjoy the things that you do and not worry to much about some of the side effects or consequences. After all lets say you give up cigars (a hobby or obsession for me) because you are worried about mouth cancer. Then down the road you get hit by a bus and killed. Well, didn't have to worry about smoking cigars and mouth cancer now did you. I know I know a really happy optimistic thought for Friday.... but it could happen. Smoke em if you enjoy em!!
 
Even though I'm not quite sure what the OP was looking for with this thread (or some others), here's some helpful info. I've posted this before in another thread, so if you've seen it already just ignore it.

This page lists the relative frequency of death attributed to diseases with cigar smoking. Here's the chart:

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So for those of us who smoke 1-2 cigars a day, we're 2.12X more likely than a non-smoker to get oral, buccal or pharyngeal cancer.

The ones I find especially surprising are that someone who smokes 1-2 cigars a day has less of a risk of dying from lung cancer and coronary artery disease. Perhaps the stress reduction associated with cigar smoking plays a part in that one? Just my :2 Also note that these risks are for DEATH, not just "having it."

The toughest one is the 6.46:1 death for larynx cancer. I looked up prevalence/incidence and mortality rates for larynx cancer. Estimated 3830 people died from larynx cancer in the US in 2004. US population is roughly 303,988,000, so mortality rate is roughly 1:79370. If you factor in the 6.46:1 rate for a 1-2 cigar/day smoker, our rate of death due to larynx cancer is 1:12286. I think my odds of dying from something else are a whole lot greater, and that goes for mouth cancer too.

Statistics must come with a grain of salt, as science can say anything you want it to say through statistics, but who's to say they have the right or wrong statistics. For now, I'll trust these rather than some alarmist literature.
 
Scimmia said:
That's from an advocacy group, of course they're going to make it look bad. All of the actual studies I've seen that have found risks were ones where the lowest grouping was something like 1-3 cigars/day, every day. Even then the increased risk was marginal in that group.
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I found it to be very CYA, but otherwise not too bad. My Cliff Notes takeaway from it was along the lines of - We can't even measure the stats for cigar-related cancer unless you're smoking at least two sticks a day or inhaling them.

Maybe I need to read it again.
 
this thread reminds me of a friend of mine, in his 40s, hilarious, and loves cigars. everytime he puts a cigar in his mouth, he would look at me and say, "yeah, i'll probably get throat cancer" and then look angry and confused, shaking his head. lol
 
petewho said:
For anyone interested:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/cigars

I have no personal opinions here, just sharing the link.
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"Like cigarette smoking, the risks from cigar smoking increase with increased exposure. For example, compared with someone who has never smoked, smoking only one to two cigars per day doubles the risk for oral and esophageal cancers. Smoking three to four cigars daily can increase the risk of oral cancers to more than eight times the risk for a nonsmoker, while the chance of esophageal cancer is increased to four times the risk for someone who has never smoked. Both cigar and cigarette smokers have similar levels of risk for oral, throat, and esophageal cancers.The health risks associated with occasional cigar smoking (less than daily) are not known. About three-quarters of cigar smokers are occasional smokers."


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The age-adjusted incidence rate was 10.4 per 100,000 men (15.5) and women (6) per year.
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So what I'm gathering here, as that by smoking Cigars (and pipes) my chances go from 0.0001% to 0.0002%? Ok, I can live with those odds.
 
Me too.I was not worrying about it.It just people always say "do you worry about it?".You know you see it in advert's and stuff.
 
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