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guevara said:
Me too.I was not worrying about it.It just people always say "do you worry about it?".You know you see it in advert's and stuff.
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Repeat after me.

I am an individual,
I have free will..

:r

On a related note I used to think that all advertising was "approved" by some big government agency. You know, it had to be true to say that something was "the best" or better or worse than something else, statistics needed to be fair and proven with good solid science. Surely the government wouldn't let companies influence a young impressionable lad such as myself with anything but the golden truth.

Then I turned 8 and asked my Dad about it. He laughed so hard I thought he was going to have a stroke. Afterwards I considered going into advertising as their obviously was big money there. Either that or it's related field, fiction writing. :D

Many things are bad for us. Most things done beyond moderation are very bad for us. YOu can die from drinking too much water for goodness sake. I'm pretty sure being overweight and having a high fat diet has a bigger impact on longevity than cigar smoking.

Statistics:

Cigar smokers average lifespan: 80.2 years
Obese (40 lbs over standard) non cigar smoker average lifespan: 69.2 years

These were published on a website just today. :) Maybe I should have gone into ad work. :r
 
I don't want to know. I am living for the moment. I am going to light up another cigar to get these terible thoughts out of my head.
 
# 1 killer of 18-35+ or so--accidental (industrial, car, etc)
#1 killer 50+ --heart disease (diabetes, atherosclerosis, coronary artery disease, peripheral artery disease, myocardial infarction, stroke, etc)
#2 killer of this group--cancer
#1 killer of cancer in both male/female--lung
#2 killer of cancer in male--prostate; female--breast
#3 killer of cancer in male and female--colon

Yes, there is a risk; you are inducing damage to the epithelium/lining of the mucosa in the mouth; however, most of us negate that risk for the benefit of relaxation, stress-relieve, and all the pleasures of smoking cigars and pipes that actually will benefit our health by releiving the stress we put onto ourselves, which can and will cause damage of the aforementioned items above.
 
JPH said:
My useless post.

It's probably more dangerous to:

1. Drive in a car
2. Sleep with random girls for the fun of it...or just because your bored
3. Drink ourselves silly
4. Eat fast food
5. Go out in the sun without SPF
6. Use Irish Spring soap
7. Drink Soda
8. Waist time thinking of these things
9. Work as an electrician
10. :mn
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:tpd::tpd::tpd: I work at a hospital with diseased and crazy people... nuff said.
 
Great subject.
Cancer? Can't think about it or won't smoke.

On the other subject on this thread, at the risk of being called an elitist prick, let me point out my investigative skills which I apply daily to my job.

5/25 OP states just ordered new humidor with digital hygrometer
5/26 OP states humidor arrived with no hygro
5/27 OP states my first ever humidor arrives tomorrow
5/29 OP receives first ever humidor with an analog hygro and needs help calibrating.

Anyone else see anything odd with this?
I sure do.
Perhaps there is a very good answer.
OP was on after 6 est today but has not posted on this thread.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.

If I am wrong, my apologies in advance.
 
I've worked in chemical processes for 30 years. Inhaled I don't know how much trichlor, perchlor, acetone, toluol, etc. Washed stuff off my hands with methylene chloride, sodium cyanide, etc, etc. Played with pure lead and cadmium. Luckily that was only for about 15 years before we realized that stuff may not be too good for you and proper safety precautions were implemented.

The guy I thought was doomed to die young was a chrome plater who had hands that were brown from chromic acid. He used to eat his lunch without washing his hands. He also was always smoking a cigar. He retired about 15 years ago. Found out this week he is alive and doing well at 80, goes for walks every day, and is still smoking cigars! I think subconciously I started smoking cigars so I will live longer based on that example!! I am convinced it cleans all the junk out of my system!! Now if it could only grow hair. :ss

Something is going to kill all of us and most of us have probably been exposed to negative factors a heck of a lot more dangerous than cigars. I'm not worrying about it.
 
Freud smoked 12 cigars a day on average and finished his life with his entire jaw removed due to his cancer.

Yet I have never known - EVER - anyone who had anything even near this dire happen to them as a result of smoking between 1-3 cigars a day.

And I've known a LOT of cigar smokers, since I grew up in the Cuban culture.

On the other hand, I have had numerous friends who were cigarette smokers die from cancer.

Just one 51-year-old's observations, for what they're worth.
 
Da Klugs said:
Statistics:

Cigar smokers average lifespan: 80.2 years
Obese (40 lbs over standard) non cigar smoker average lifespan: 69.2 years

These were published on a website just today. :) Maybe I should have gone into ad work. :r
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What about obese cigar smokers? I gots me 2 strikes against...:r
 
Blueface said:
Great subject.
Cancer? Can't think about it or won't smoke.

On the other subject on this thread, at the risk of being called an elitist prick, let me point out my investigative skills which I apply daily to my job.

5/25 OP states just ordered new humidor with digital hygrometer
5/26 OP states humidor arrived with no hygro
5/27 OP states my first ever humidor arrives tomorrow
5/29 OP receives first ever humidor with an analog hygro and needs help calibrating.

Anyone else see anything odd with this?
I sure do.
Perhaps there is a very good answer.
OP was on after 6 est today but has not posted on this thread.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.

If I am wrong, my apologies in advance.
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:tpd: Makes me wonder also

rawlic said:
What about obese cigar smokers? I gots me 2 strikes against...:r
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If my math is correct then your average obese cigar smoker lifespan should be: 74.7 :D
 
mikeyj23 said:
Even though I'm not quite sure what the OP was looking for with this thread (or some others), here's some helpful info. I've posted this before in another thread, so if you've seen it already just ignore it.

This page lists the relative frequency of death attributed to diseases with cigar smoking. Here's the chart:

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So if I am reading the above chart correctly, 3-4 cigars a day cures larynx cancer and 1-2 cigars a day reduces your risk of lung cancer. Cool :)
 
Im much more worried about being eaten alive by zombies.

So Ill smoke my cigars, sleep in my tinfoil hat and clean my guns.

-pm
 
Life is too short to worry about all the things that MIGHT happen.

I'd never get in a car, get on a plane, drink whiskey, or stick my finger in a light socket if i worried about all the things that could possibly go wrong in life.

Ejnoy life/ eat drink and smoke what you enjoy - and to echo many sentiments in this post: all in moderation. :ss:ss:ss:ss
 
Da Klugs said:
I have free will..
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Ah, but do we truly have free will? Can one stop himself from performing bodily functions needed for one to survive? I.E. Stop Sleeping, stop urinating, stop excreting feces, stop eating?

Can I choose to go out and kill someone? No, because my body tells me that killing another human is wrong. So What separates those of us who aren't murders, from those who are?

Is free will real, or do we merely have limited will to do what we choose that doesn't have to do with our biological functions.

lol, just something to ponder.

Anyways, I am afraid of getting cancer. why? cause cancer sucks. I had two relatives die from cancer and its not pretty.

I been checked for cancer once. It was before I was was even a teenager.

I didn't drink until about 4 months before my 21st b-day cause I swear to god I thought I was having a heart attack. (turned out to be a panic attack brought on by stress and playing Call Of Duty 3)

Why do I smoke cigars/pipe? because if I could get cancer without smoking, then by god I am going to do something I enjoy, even if it gives me cancer.

Life is too short to sweat the details. Do what ya like and F everyone else. deal with stuff as it comes at ya, don't worry about could happen 20 years from now cause you smoke. As you can see, all of us B/SOTL live our lives to the fullest and are enjoying the ride, so why no have a seat and enjoy it with us?

:ss
 
Or said another way from the car talk guys commencement speech at MIT

-if you wish to attain immortality, you must do the following: You must work hard every day seven days a week, never taking time off. You must attend no social functions. You must not smoke [cigars]. You must not drink. And you must not go with women.

- you mean if I do those things I will live forever?

-Oh no, my son, he said, it will just seem like forever.

Here is the link (scroll all the way to the bottom for this part

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1999/clickclackspeech.html

-EB
 
ellisb said:
Or said another way from the car talk guys commencement speech at MIT

-if you wish to attain immortality, you must do the following: You must work hard every day seven days a week, never taking time off. You must attend no social functions. You must not smoke [cigars]. You must not drink. And you must not go with women.

- you mean if I do those things I will live forever?

-Oh no, my son, he said, it will just seem like forever.

Here is the link (scroll all the way to the bottom for this part

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/1999/clickclackspeech.html

-EB
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Oh my god, that is pure genius. I like the way he put it much better. great post.
 
Blueface said:
On the other subject on this thread, at the risk of being called an elitist prick, let me point out my investigative skills which I apply daily to my job.

5/25 OP states just ordered new humidor with digital hygrometer
5/26 OP states humidor arrived with no hygro
5/27 OP states my first ever humidor arrives tomorrow
5/29 OP receives first ever humidor with an analog hygro and needs help calibrating.

Anyone else see anything odd with this?
I sure do.
Perhaps there is a very good answer.
OP was on after 6 est today but has not posted on this thread.
Things that make you go hmmmmm.

If I am wrong, my apologies in advance.
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You elitist prick. :tu :r I guess I am one too for noticing nothing but starting threads and not much participation in the forum except for asking inane questions. :hn
 
Mr.Lordi said:
Anyways, I am afraid of getting cancer. why? cause cancer sucks. I had two relatives die from cancer and its not pretty.
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My dad passed away four years ago due to lung cancer. He did not regret smoking. Yes, he would have liked to live longer, but he also pointed out that smoking had provided him with genuine pleasure throughout his life. I, too, would rather risk to die of something which I thoroughly enjoy, than live a long and dull live.
 
Boy, I'm in trouble. Not only do I smoke cigars but I also...


JPH said:
It's probably more dangerous to:

1. Drive in a car Multiple time daily
2. Sleep with random girls for the fun of it...or just because your boredIn my past, but it's been done
3. Drink ourselves sillyMonthly, down from weekly, down from daily....hey I'm getting better
4. Eat fast foodOn occasion
5. Go out in the sun without SPFOften
6. Use Irish Spring soapTwice daily...why's this bad?
7. Drink SodaUsually only when partaking in #3 above
8. Waist time thinking of these thingsThis one I don't do
9. Work as an electricianHuh, that's me again
10. :mn
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I think I should start doing #8. I don't have much time left.:hn
 
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