My local cigar bar

Beer Doctor said:
1) They are tobacco products but they are very different. The way the tobacco is grown, manufactured, and marketed is very different.
2) Most if not all cigarette smokers smoke to feed an addiction whereas most cigar smokers are hobbyists. Therefore, IMHO, that distinction puts cigarettes and cigars in a different category. One that should be separated accordingly.
3) On health and legislation. IMHO I don't think that second hand smoke is good for anyone. However, as adults we should have the right to smoke. That's why I think that cigar bars, retailers and tobacconists should be except from non-smoking ordinances. The majority of their revenue is generated by the sale of cigars, pipe tobacco,accessories. The business's sole purpose is for tobacco. Restaurants and bars are in business to sell food and alcohol, respectively. If a proprietor wants to open a cigarette bar and a set amount of income is generated by selling cigarettes then that should fall in the same category as the cigar bars. I'd be surprised if cigarette smokers would be able to support a cigarette bar but they should be given the chance.
4) As a cigar smoker and former cigarette smoker I think there is a difference between the habits of the two. Cigar smokers and cigars are being lumped into the same category as cigarette smokers and cigarettes. IMHO they are different and should be governed and viewed as such. :2

Rant over:tu
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:tpd: Mostly...
I agree with points 1, 2, and 4 and a little of 3. But IMHO, the "science" supporting second hand smoke being harmful is dubious at best, example here http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=23399(but the truth is what people believe and not necessarily what is truthful) and I don't buy the health argument here as a reason for the gov't to interfere with people's property rights.

More on point with the original post, I am torn between the side of me that is infuriated and would like to get even with establishments that allow the nasty smelling cigarette smoke and ban the beautiful aroma of a fine cigar and the side of me that thinks we should all stick together, the addicts and the aficionados to fight against an ever intrusive nanny state. While I love the rush I get from the revenge factor of the former, I believe the latter is the better of the two sides.
Even better, let the business owner decide his rules and let us decide where we want to spend our time and money.:2
 
Usually cigarette smokers don't enjoy cigar smell, so they should be kept to a minimum (unless it's the only place left to smoke besides yer house). Even so, that kind of moves are not only bold, but smart too, taking into consideration what the different types of smokers look for in their smokes.
 
I have a few friends that smoke cigarettes, so I allow it in my smoking room. But my wife who is a non-smoker detest the smell of cigarettes and would much rather smell cigar smoke.

She's a keeper:tu

mark
 
Coffee Grounds said:
So my new local cigar bar has been open now for a couple of months.
The owner has made a new rule "no cigarette smoking"

I thought that was a very bold move.
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Bold move but a good move. In my opinion cigarette smoking and cigar/pipe smoking have very little in common besides they both produce smoke.
 
BamBam said:
Bold move but a good move. In my opinion cigarette smoking and cigar/pipe smoking have very little in common besides they both produce smoke.
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And they are both tobaccoo. Lets not forget that most of the legislation is focused toward anti-tobaccoo not just cigarettes or cigars or pipes. So instead of all tobaccoo users standing together lets alienate the larger group (cigarette smokers). I understand that some cigarette smokers can be whiny pricks ("OOhh I can't stand the smell of cigars") but I would almost guarantee that they will stand up for the rights of tobaccoo use come push or shove. Just seems foolish to me to alienate the largest group of tobaccoo users in the country regardless of how you feel about their hobby/habit. :2
 
madurolover said:
And they are both tobaccoo. Lets not forget that most of the legislation is focused toward anti-tobaccoo not just cigarettes or cigars or pipes. So instead of all tobaccoo users standing together lets alienate the larger group (cigarette smokers). I understand that some cigarette smokers can be whiny pricks ("OOhh I can't stand the smell of cigars") but I would almost guarantee that they will stand up for the rights of tobaccoo use come push or shove. Just seems foolish to me to alienate the largest group of tobaccoo users in the country regardless of how you feel about their hobby/habit. :2
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I don't think beer companies want alcoholics lobbying for their rights, even though they may be their best customers. I'd rather not have to associate my cigar hobby with a two pack a day smoker. :2
 
elderboy02 said:
+1. I hate cigarette smoke.
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i cant stand cigarettes, everything about them IMHO is garbage, the process in making them, the fact that they use old and reused tobacco, the extremely fast and crappy "aging" process, the ridiculous amount of chemicals in cigarettes, the close misconception between cigars and cigarettes, the corporate people behind ciggarettes, and some of my friends that smoke cigarettes i usually tell them that they look kinda gay.:2

now back to my ben & jerry's stephen colbert americone dream ice cream:tu
 
Now, some cig's can't be compared to other cig's. you can't put cig's like Dunhills, American Spirits, and Nat Sherman's in the same category as MB red's, and Camels, there are not even in the same league. But its his bar and he has that right.
 
Oh well. I guess being a 2-3 pack a day smoker means I am not allowed to attend a herf around some people here. Never mind that I also smoke cigars. I am pretty much a proponent of any tobaccoo uses rights. As far as beer companies not wanting to associate their products with alcoholics, you are correct but guess where they would be without the alcoholics?;)
 
madurolover said:
Oh well. I guess being a 2-3 pack a day smoker means I am not allowed to attend a herf around some people here. Never mind that I also smoke cigars. I am pretty much a proponent of any tobaccoo uses rights. As far as beer companies not wanting to associate their products with alcoholics, you are correct but guess where they would be without the alcoholics?;)
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I never meant to come off as judgemental. I'm sorry if I did. I am a former cigarette smoker, my mom smokes and many of my friends. In no way did I mean that cigarette smokers shouldn't be allowed toherf with friends.

My main point was that I think that there is a big difference in reasons why a cigar smoker smokes a cigar and a cigarette smoker smokes a cigarette. If non-smokers understood this I believe that cigar smokers would not be lumped into the same category as cigarette smokers.

Once again, I never meant to come off as saying cigarette smokers are second class citizens or anything like that. My beef is with the perception of cigar smokers by non-smokers.
 
I smoke cigs but would not light one up in a cigars bar or shop. I feel it would be some kind of sacralige if I did.
 
madurolover said:
Oh well. I guess being a 2-3 pack a day smoker means I am not allowed to attend a herf around some people here. Never mind that I also smoke cigars. I am pretty much a proponent of any tobaccoo uses rights. As far as beer companies not wanting to associate their products with alcoholics, you are correct but guess where they would be without the alcoholics?;)
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My whole point was that there are many places that allow cigarettes but not pipes and cigars. I did not think that it was a bad thing that cigar smokers have a place of their own. Not in my wildest dreams would I ask a friend to not smoke a cigarette if he were herfing with me.
 
WOW,
Lots of action on this post.
The reason this guy band cigarette smoke was this cigar bar is really for men only. The owner does not want women coming in and smoking cigarettes all night taking up bar space (its a small bar).
The liquor selection is very high end. Its one of the truley top shelf bars I have seen. He does not serve any scotch under 15 years age. Since this is a high end cigar bar its attracting guys that are spending some money of both cigars and booze.

By having no cigarette smoking keeps the women from coming in there and head hunting for a guy with money. This was the true reason why he banned cigarette smoking.


He still allows me to smoke Nat Shermans in there.
 
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