Nub me Tender
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VirtualSmitty
Fear the walrus
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Time to grow-up maybe?:tu
I hate to see what was a great thread, go down the toilet because of some childish antics.
Major Captain Silly
Poker for the troops
Sam Leccia
Young Chimp
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VirtualSmitty
Fear the walrus
Then stop being childish and heed some advice.
Only when Peter demands it from me
I am fine with you expressing your opinion abut Nubs. Just keep the personal comments to yourself.
I took the plunge and ordered a fiver of each wrapper in the 3x58 size.
The Connecticut was the best of the group. Surprising to me as I usually like fuller bodied cigars. The construction was nothing short of amazing. On par with some of the better Diamond Crown's I have smoked. (Right or wrong, Diamond Crown is my construction champion and I use it for comparison purposes.) Ultimately I thought the flavor of the Connecticut was OK. On the positive side, my 80 year old father thought they were very good, and he usually doesn't stray from his stalwart cigars.
The Cameroon and the Habano didn't do much for me, with the Habano being downright tough to smoke from a flavor standpoint. Again, construction was good, but these cigars didn't do it for me. I have to admit to being curious as to how aging could change things.
Those are my thoughts after smoking 4 of each type. I usually give a cigar a second chance a few months after initial smoking and will likely do that with the nubs.
The Connecticut was the best of the group. Surprising to me as I usually like fuller bodied cigars. The construction was nothing short of amazing. On par with some of the better Diamond Crown's I have smoked. (Right or wrong, Diamond Crown is my construction champion and I use it for comparison purposes.) Ultimately I thought the flavor of the Connecticut was OK. On the positive side, my 80 year old father thought they were very good, and he usually doesn't stray from his stalwart cigars.
The Cameroon and the Habano didn't do much for me, with the Habano being downright tough to smoke from a flavor standpoint. Again, construction was good, but these cigars didn't do it for me. I have to admit to being curious as to how aging could change things.
Those are my thoughts after smoking 4 of each type. I usually give a cigar a second chance a few months after initial smoking and will likely do that with the nubs.
Sam Leccia
Young Chimp
Some of your questions I will answer as best as I can, as they are like asking CocaCola for their recipe.
I have never worked for Thompsons, nor do I know anyone there.
As far as the "sweet spot" is concerned, I wanted to understand why I rarely liked the first 1/4-1/2 inch of most cigars I smoked. I first thought it was how I was lighting it, match, torch, over-toasting..etc. Well, I ruled out how I light the cigar. I then did some research, read some tobacco books, asked the right people the right questions, and learned that a tobacco leaf is milder at the tip of the leaf and strengthens towards the stem. A cigar is rolled with the foot being the tip of the leaf, which is why a cigar builds in strength. I wanted to know that if I didn't use the tip of the leaf anywhere in the cigar, if when lit, you would be able to go right into the flavor of the cigar. well, after some prototypes, I found it to be true, and when you light a Nub, it opens with flavor immediately. The first Nubs made were not of such a large ring guage, but by adding more tobacco the cigar was able to smoke cooler and smoke much longer. The 466 has more tobacco than is in a presidente (8X52). There is a lot of waste in rolling a Nub, as in rolling most hand made cigars. The trimmings are used for a variety of things, as nothing in this industry goes to waste. Most gets sold for short fill. Some gets put into boxes that have been stained or varnished to remove the stain odor and to give the box a tobacco scent. None of it gets used in any cigar that Oliva makes.
I honestly do not know, but I doubt that cutting a cigar in half, or cutting off a couple inches would give the same effect, as it is a process from filler to binder to wrapper.
As far as the "This Changes Everything" tagline, it is on many levels; first many people people who have been smoking for years have moved past Connecticut wrappers, myself included and the Oliva's included. But the Connecticut Nub really surprised us all, we could not get over all the flavor that the CT wrapper had to offer when paired with the Nub blend. So it changed the way we at least thought about certain wrappers. Also, like I stated above, the original Nub's were not such large ring gauges. I personally was never a huge fan of them and would rarely smoke even a 6X60, but while experimenting, I have learned to completely appreciate them because of the amount of tobacco in them, and in the world of Nub, even a 66 ring guage is really not that big. Also, I really want to bring some added excitement to the industry. The Nub events are a different take on cigar events, they are high energy, interactive, and just an overall fun atmosphere. I roll cigars at every event, and I even give anyone who wants to a chance to learn how to roll cigars. I Love this industry, and I want people to leave events knowing something they may not have. To Sum it up, I beleive Nub can change the way you thought about certain wrappers, change your opinion on larger ring guages, and change the way cigar events are done. And if it doesn't it doesn't, but it certainly can if your open to it.
Look, I understand fully that nub is not for everybody, but it is my take on what I like about cigars. I didn't want Nub to be something I am not, as I am not cuban, I did not grow up on a tobacco farm, and I don't have generations of tobacco growers hanging on my family tree. I wanted to do a different aproach. Maybe it's for you, maybe it's not. There are many excellent choices to be made in a cigar store. I am just honored to be one of them.
And just a take on the name, as you all know Nub is what you call a cigar you completely enjoyed to the end, it also represents a small size, but when I came across the definition it really hit, and one of the definitions that I came across, was; the essence, the core, the best part, and I felt that it was very fitting. Sure it's a name to have fun with, but the cigar is very serious.
Again, I am just like you guys...I love cigars and dug deep and found something exciting, had a chance to share it, and got a company completely behind it. I feel like an American Idol winner, and this is my big break
I have never worked for Thompsons, nor do I know anyone there.
As far as the "sweet spot" is concerned, I wanted to understand why I rarely liked the first 1/4-1/2 inch of most cigars I smoked. I first thought it was how I was lighting it, match, torch, over-toasting..etc. Well, I ruled out how I light the cigar. I then did some research, read some tobacco books, asked the right people the right questions, and learned that a tobacco leaf is milder at the tip of the leaf and strengthens towards the stem. A cigar is rolled with the foot being the tip of the leaf, which is why a cigar builds in strength. I wanted to know that if I didn't use the tip of the leaf anywhere in the cigar, if when lit, you would be able to go right into the flavor of the cigar. well, after some prototypes, I found it to be true, and when you light a Nub, it opens with flavor immediately. The first Nubs made were not of such a large ring guage, but by adding more tobacco the cigar was able to smoke cooler and smoke much longer. The 466 has more tobacco than is in a presidente (8X52). There is a lot of waste in rolling a Nub, as in rolling most hand made cigars. The trimmings are used for a variety of things, as nothing in this industry goes to waste. Most gets sold for short fill. Some gets put into boxes that have been stained or varnished to remove the stain odor and to give the box a tobacco scent. None of it gets used in any cigar that Oliva makes.
I honestly do not know, but I doubt that cutting a cigar in half, or cutting off a couple inches would give the same effect, as it is a process from filler to binder to wrapper.
As far as the "This Changes Everything" tagline, it is on many levels; first many people people who have been smoking for years have moved past Connecticut wrappers, myself included and the Oliva's included. But the Connecticut Nub really surprised us all, we could not get over all the flavor that the CT wrapper had to offer when paired with the Nub blend. So it changed the way we at least thought about certain wrappers. Also, like I stated above, the original Nub's were not such large ring gauges. I personally was never a huge fan of them and would rarely smoke even a 6X60, but while experimenting, I have learned to completely appreciate them because of the amount of tobacco in them, and in the world of Nub, even a 66 ring guage is really not that big. Also, I really want to bring some added excitement to the industry. The Nub events are a different take on cigar events, they are high energy, interactive, and just an overall fun atmosphere. I roll cigars at every event, and I even give anyone who wants to a chance to learn how to roll cigars. I Love this industry, and I want people to leave events knowing something they may not have. To Sum it up, I beleive Nub can change the way you thought about certain wrappers, change your opinion on larger ring guages, and change the way cigar events are done. And if it doesn't it doesn't, but it certainly can if your open to it.
Look, I understand fully that nub is not for everybody, but it is my take on what I like about cigars. I didn't want Nub to be something I am not, as I am not cuban, I did not grow up on a tobacco farm, and I don't have generations of tobacco growers hanging on my family tree. I wanted to do a different aproach. Maybe it's for you, maybe it's not. There are many excellent choices to be made in a cigar store. I am just honored to be one of them.
And just a take on the name, as you all know Nub is what you call a cigar you completely enjoyed to the end, it also represents a small size, but when I came across the definition it really hit, and one of the definitions that I came across, was; the essence, the core, the best part, and I felt that it was very fitting. Sure it's a name to have fun with, but the cigar is very serious.
Again, I am just like you guys...I love cigars and dug deep and found something exciting, had a chance to share it, and got a company completely behind it. I feel like an American Idol winner, and this is my big break
JordanWexler
Evolving Lead Gorilla
Glad to have you as a part of the community Sam!
Got a nub on the way to try :tu
Got a nub on the way to try :tu
Hey Sam, I for one appreciate your openness to answer these "questions" about your line. I have yet to smoke one but will do in the future (not looking for a handout either).
I think some people will have a bone to pick about anything. This is a cigar fan-board, like all other boards on the internet, there are always those with extreme opinions (on both ends of the scale). Good with the bad. Thanks for taking time in your day to post here.
I would hope that those inquiring Sam could submit an honest question or deliver their opinion in an adult manner. I have NO stakes in Nub, Oliva, or any other line. I just think everyone deserves a fair chance to respond with out a twinge of sarcasm (or any other level of doubletalk) being thrown at them.
I think some people will have a bone to pick about anything. This is a cigar fan-board, like all other boards on the internet, there are always those with extreme opinions (on both ends of the scale). Good with the bad. Thanks for taking time in your day to post here.
I would hope that those inquiring Sam could submit an honest question or deliver their opinion in an adult manner. I have NO stakes in Nub, Oliva, or any other line. I just think everyone deserves a fair chance to respond with out a twinge of sarcasm (or any other level of doubletalk) being thrown at them.
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PDS - My thoughts EXACTLY when I smoked the Connecticut. I'm a HUGE Diamond Crown #5 lover..and this particular Nub reminded me of it. I also notice the construction of the cigar..and I thought it was amazing as well.
What did you think of the burn? Pretty consistent..wouldn't you say?
Sam, maybe I am the only one lost here, but the two quotes I separated of yours seem to contradict one another.
In the first quote, you imply that that best part of the cigar is just past the foot where the ends of the leaf come together. Granted in a way that makes sense, but on the other hand, like a lighting a BBQ, one does not get the fire started and expect the flavors of the charcoal to immediately be ready to start grilling some meat on, Usually one waits for all the coal to be burning evenly and are hot before cooking. As with a cigar, that first inch or so is not always great and it needs to be burning fully and evenly for all the flavor to get going, perhaps the tobacco waiting to be burn needs to heat up a bit and the smoke starts drawing flavor from the unburned leaf.
Your second quote, merely throws away your first one, if what you found is that the first inch or so is just the ends of the leaf, why not just cut off the foot and light the cigar from the sweet spot? That is what is implied by the descriptions I read of the Nub.
I am just curious and if given the chance to try a Nub, I will not turn down a cigar to smoke.