Padilla cigars...

agree, totally. a lot of other vendors out there to do business with - and at better prices in most cases. what a tool...
I checked into their prices a little later in the evening.
As Todd already mentioned, they're no bargains.
I paid $85.00 for 25 Habano Torps at the devil site. That was a good deal.
They'd be $104.88 at their crazy madness prices.
Granted, that's a lousy comparison, but they are only $92.00 a box at seriouscigars.com ($115.00 adjusted for 25). I only looked for two minutes to find that price. I'm sure there's a lot better.
I'm going to find another box of Habanos. They're a nice cigar.
 
After reading the links, it seems that:

A. Getting counsel is a wise move for those in the cigar industry. Contracts allocate risk;

B. Doing business with Pepin is a risky venture.

C. Holt Cigars is not a class establishment.

sorry, but I don't agree with B. Pepin should not be brought into this. All any of us know is that Pepin is no longer making cigars for Padilla. The true reasons are not known to anyone other than Pepin and Padilla.

For all you know, Padilla wanted to leave Pepin, so the comment that doing buisness with Pepin is risky, is misleading.

There are 3 sides to every story.

As for Holts, I think they are trying to become more like JR, but it didn't work well. This catalog was not a smart move on their part IMHO
 
sorry, but I don't agree with B. Pepin should not be brought into this. All any of us know is that Pepin is no longer making cigars for Padilla. The true reasons are not known to anyone other than Pepin and Padilla.

For all you know, Padilla wanted to leave Pepin, so the comment that doing buisness with Pepin is risky, is misleading.

There are 3 sides to every story.

As for Holts, I think they are trying to become more like JR, but it didn't work well. This catalog was not a smart move on their part IMHO

Pepin and Ernesto released statements long ago concerning their amicable split. Erneso mentioned that it was simply a thing where he wanted more control over his cigars. Not that he was not at all unhappy with Don's work, just that he wanted to take a more hands on responsibility for his product.
In other words, he's getting serious.
I think that's great.
Don said he's happy for Ernesto, and wishes him great success.
How anything negative can be derived from either release is beyond me.
It's simply two guys who are heading their own directions.
There's another Holt's catalog comment floating around out there that's just as tasteless as the Padilla comments.
I'm certain that Holt's does not support the sentiment in either of the comments.
Some knucklehead in their employ will likely be looking for a new job.
If they aren't, they must be family. I'm sure someone who is supposed to okay the type was being lazy. They need their ass kicked, too.
It's all a series of unfortunate events.
The concern to me is that it reflects poorly on the company, and makes me wary. I've never heard or seen something like this of Holt's, but I'll be watching.
I did see their comment concerning the type and it was insulting to my intelligence.
The whole smear reminds me of the Cuban Crafter's fiasco I was involved in recently.
 
sorry, but I don't agree with B. Pepin should not be brought into this. All any of us know is that Pepin is no longer making cigars for Padilla. The true reasons are not known to anyone other than Pepin and Padilla.

For all you know, Padilla wanted to leave Pepin, so the comment that doing buisness with Pepin is risky, is misleading.

There are 3 sides to every story.

As for Holts, I think they are trying to become more like JR, but it didn't work well. This catalog was not a smart move on their part IMHO


Actually, we are being told by Padilla is that the dissolution of the relationship between Padilla and Pepin is "mutual." For what reasons other than Padilla wanted more control over his product we are not privy to.

However, Padilla clearly has a better idea of the value of "goodwill," Holt . . . not so much. Pepin:

http://www.blackcatcigars.com/donpepingarciablackedition.html


It comes from the source. Whether or not substantiated, I would be hesitant and look for risk allocation (which does not seem clear or maybe not a custom in the industry?).
 
All I know is that until I get inconsistency in Padilla cigars I will continue to smoke them. As for Holt's, I will continue to do the same amount of business with them as before, none.
 
Actually, we are being told by Padilla is that the dissolution of the relationship between Padilla and Pepin is "mutual." For what reasons other than Padilla wanted more control over his product we are not privy to.

However, Padilla clearly has a better idea of the value of "goodwill," Holt . . . not so much. Pepin:

http://www.blackcatcigars.com/donpepingarciablackedition.html


It comes from the source. Whether or not substantiated, I would be hesitant and look for risk allocation (which does not seem clear or maybe not a custom in the industry?).

My issue comes with stating that doing business with Pepin is risky. How can you say that if Padilla voluntarily left Pepin?

As for the BlackCat issue, there isn't sufficient info to make an educated determination as to what happened.
 
Wow... just wow... The offsite link to the cigarfamily FORUM leads me to think two things.

  1. I'm glad I'm not a fan of soap operas, and
  2. I'm glad I'm a member here at CS

There are some interesting comments made there, but the tone of the website is nasty.

I still think I'm gonna frame my copy of the ad when it comes.
 
My issue comes with stating that doing business with Pepin is risky. How can you say that if Padilla voluntarily left Pepin?

As for the BlackCat issue, there isn't sufficient info to make an educated determination as to what happened.

My opinions and risk perception. The information given from the links, particularly the BlackCat link, point to risk. Hey, Pepin may be great to do business with and he may perform all obigations with a perfect tender (loose), but my perception is that there is risk. From statements about quality control over production to issues revolving around dissolution of what seems to be a partnership with BlackCat, it seems risky to me.

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Not trying to be rude, but it is just my opinion. Whether or not BlackCat's statements are true, it is not second-hand or colloquial hearsay.
 
A couple of pics... stolen from the web...

Original ad:
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Online ad:
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All in all, a disappointing move by Holt's... they were my favorite 'reading room' catalog...
 
bmwe28m5:

You are intitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disagree with it. As for BlackCat, you are assuming that what is listed is fact without getting the other side of the story, but to each his own.

I believe there are three sides to every story.
 
This Holt's 'closeout' sale is nothing of the kind. The 1932 is over $8 per cigar in a 10 pack. You can do better on both CI and especially Cbid.
 
I order from Holt's all the time, have for years. I've always gotten good cigars and good service.
Whatever their dispute with Padilla is, I really don't feel any involvement or connection, and could care less. So two big businesses have a falling out. Boo-Hoo...
 
There seems to be more speculation and gossip in this blog then those celebrity magazines. This story has prbabaly been escalated far beyond what Padilla took the comments as, and what Holt's true intentions of the Crazy Madness Blurp about Padilla going "Buh Bye".
 
bmwe28m5:

You are intitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to disagree with it. As for BlackCat, you are assuming that what is listed is fact without getting the other side of the story, but to each his own.

I believe there are three sides to every story.

That would be:

Your version of the story.
His version of the story.
The truth.
 
There seems to be more speculation and gossip in this blog then those celebrity magazines. This story has prbabaly been escalated far beyond what Padilla took the comments as, and what Holt's true intentions of the Crazy Madness Blurp about Padilla going "Buh Bye".

The funny thing to me is the whole "I am outraged and will never buy from them again" attitudes. When it comes down to it, Holt's is right. They may have been a bit crude in the way they put it but that doesn't make it any less true. I also have one word (or is is two?) for Padilla. Buh-bye. Only thing he had going for him was having a few smokes rolled by Pepin.
 
The funny thing to me is the whole "I am outraged and will never buy from them again" attitudes. When it comes down to it, Holt's is right. They may have been a bit crude in the way they put it but that doesn't make it any less true. I also have one word (or is is two?) for Padilla. Buh-bye. Only thing he had going for him was having a few smokes rolled by Pepin.

The Padilla Habano rocked. It was produced by the Olivas. You ever try em? The new ones might be just as good, I don't know til I try em.
 
The Padilla Habano rocked. It was produced by the Olivas. You ever try em? The new ones might be just as good, I don't know til I try em.

I should have added Oliva in there as well. The fact is they aren't being produced by either of them anymore. Besides those few lines his cigars are mediocre and overpriced.
 
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