Pinar P3000: That's right, I went there.

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...from the internet.
I'm prepping all this week for an opera performance I have on Sunday...a scenes production really. So I'm drilling myself with recordings of La Boheme Act III, and tonight was no exception. After a long day of singing and rehearsals, I sat at home working translations and got to the point I could sit around no longer... clearly it was time for a stick.

I dug around the humidor and pulled out the Pinar P3000 Small Panatela (5x32). It was time to finally try one of these suckers. These, unlike the P2000s, are apparently 100% Cuban tobacco.

So many people seem to hold a vile place in their heart for these seeming imposters of the Cuban world. But rather than listen to the rants of the biased, I decided to see for myself. So, I stepped out into the gorgeous 62F night air with my iPod for company, toasted the end and lit up.

The initial draw was perfect. It lit quickly and I was smacked in the face with a very new sensation of flavor. It had that Cuban funk to it, that little something that says "Yo, that's right. The Island is my home, and you're gonna smoke me, and like it."

A large amount of smoke came from this little bugger. The aroma was very specific...a very aged tobacco, almost fermented. The taste was interesting also, leading with a heavy spice, a dark leather, and a rooty nature (like when you pull a plant out of the ground, get the smell of roots and earth). I could not escape the fermented feeling though and a distinct aftertaste I couldn't quite place, pungent and almost sweet...almost. I had yet to decide whether or not I liked it.

As I smoked on, I determined I was enjoying my stroll with the wonderful tones of Puccini mixed with clean, undisturbed night air and a heavy smoke with a dark attitude. It was then it hit me, where I had tasted the essence of something unknown...marijuana. I know, I know...I don't smoke it (in fact I don't inhale anything) but I work in the restaurant business, so it's not like I haven't been around it. One of my ex coworkers buys the really expensive weed, and the aroma left in the air from that reminded me of the taste from this.

It was a surprisingly full texture and flavor that I both liked immensly and also held a small amount of disdain for. This cigar tore me in two.

Structure: Poor, I have to admit. The ash was flaky and lept from the stick after only 3/4in. (then again, I was taking a walk, but still). It burned hot quickly, but cooled with remarkable haste. I almost had to relight twice, but salvaged the initial heat through multiple puffs. There was no cone at all, completely tunnel, and the filler seemed small and flaky also, reminding me of pipe tobacco.

So did I find it to be a suitable substitute for post-embargo ISOMs? No. While entirely Cuban, a crappy cigar is a crappy cigar. I will have to admit that the flavor is more than worth it for $4. I may buy a few more, let them sleep, and pull them out when I'm in the mood for something off-the-beaten-path, or something small with a spanking of flavor that I won't mind ditching before I reach nub.

Back to translating Italian...
 
thanks for the review~ i was wondering how these would fair. if my local shop has them for the same price you got them for ($4), i just might have to give it a try myself.
 
I have smoked one of these a couple of years ago and really wasn't impressed.

Thanks for the nice review.
 
One of my b/m's that carry Pinars got in another Authentic pre embargo cuban. Come in wood boxes with 4 dividers by sizes and the cigars in each section are different sizes themselves. $14-16-18-20 for each section. Owner gave me one to try and it was Horrible. Compared to these that little pinar was a 10/10.
 
For a cheap cigar, why not try the RyJ No.2 A/T for about the same price? It doesn't have the terrible funky smell and bad roll the Pinars do...
 
I'm prepping all this week for an opera performance I have on Sunday...a scenes production really. So I'm drilling myself with recordings of La Boheme Act III, and tonight was no exception. After a long day of singing and rehearsals, I sat at home working translations and got to the point I could sit around no longer... clearly it was time for a stick.

I dug around the humidor and pulled out the Pinar P3000 Small Panatela (5x32). It was time to finally try one of these suckers. These, unlike the P2000s, are apparently 100% Cuban tobacco.

So many people seem to hold a vile place in their heart for these seeming imposters of the Cuban world. But rather than listen to the rants of the biased, I decided to see for myself. So, I stepped out into the gorgeous 62F night air with my iPod for company, toasted the end and lit up.

The initial draw was perfect. It lit quickly and I was smacked in the face with a very new sensation of flavor. It had that Cuban funk to it, that little something that says "Yo, that's right. The Island is my home, and you're gonna smoke me, and like it."

A large amount of smoke came from this little bugger. The aroma was very specific...a very aged tobacco, almost fermented. The taste was interesting also, leading with a heavy spice, a dark leather, and a rooty nature (like when you pull a plant out of the ground, get the smell of roots and earth). I could not escape the fermented feeling though and a distinct aftertaste I couldn't quite place, pungent and almost sweet...almost. I had yet to decide whether or not I liked it.

As I smoked on, I determined I was enjoying my stroll with the wonderful tones of Puccini mixed with clean, undisturbed night air and a heavy smoke with a dark attitude. It was then it hit me, where I had tasted the essence of something unknown...marijuana. I know, I know...I don't smoke it (in fact I don't inhale anything) but I work in the restaurant business, so it's not like I haven't been around it. One of my ex coworkers buys the really expensive weed, and the aroma left in the air from that reminded me of the taste from this.

It was a surprisingly full texture and flavor that I both liked immensly and also held a small amount of disdain for. This cigar tore me in two.

Structure: Poor, I have to admit. The ash was flaky and lept from the stick after only 3/4in. (then again, I was taking a walk, but still). It burned hot quickly, but cooled with remarkable haste. I almost had to relight twice, but salvaged the initial heat through multiple puffs. There was no cone at all, completely tunnel, and the filler seemed small and flaky also, reminding me of pipe tobacco.

So did I find it to be a suitable substitute for post-embargo ISOMs? No. While entirely Cuban, a crappy cigar is a crappy cigar. I will have to admit that the flavor is more than worth it for $4. I may buy a few more, let them sleep, and pull them out when I'm in the mood for something off-the-beaten-path, or something small with a spanking of flavor that I won't mind ditching before I reach nub.

Back to translating Italian...

These Pinars are as cuban cigar as Jackie Chan is German.
 
You know, everyone rips on the fakeness of the Pinars... some bigwig out there who knows your stuff, hook us up with some answers. The 3000 series is labelled as 100% Cuban tobacco. Would it not be considered illegal false advertising to not be entirely Cuban tobacco?
 
Hey... I really didn't think it was a bad smoke. Dare I say... I enjoyed it? Mine didn't have some of the burn problems, although the ash was similar to what you described. Not may favorite, but I have smoked some true doggies, and this was not too bad IMHO. Thanks for the review! :ss
 
You know, everyone rips on the fakeness of the Pinars... some bigwig out there who knows your stuff, hook us up with some answers. The 3000 series is labelled as 100% Cuban tobacco. Would it not be considered illegal false advertising to not be entirely Cuban tobacco?

A while back I read that a scientist was working for the Canadian government on a test that would identify Cuban tobacco (it was a tax issue).
I've heard nothing more of this, but such a test would settle the matter once and for all.
 
You know, everyone rips on the fakeness of the Pinars... some bigwig out there who knows your stuff, hook us up with some answers. The 3000 series is labelled as 100% Cuban tobacco. Would it not be considered illegal false advertising to not be entirely Cuban tobacco?

I am far from an expert on these types of things, but unless the term "100%
Cuban Tobacco" has some sort of government protected meaning or definition then they can put that on there, even if the tobacco is really just grown from say Cuban seeds in another country. Again, I could be wrong here...

Either way, I think there is a very small chance that there is any actually grown in Cuba Cuban tobacco in these things...
 
Is everyone so against the possibility that someone could have stumbled on Pre-Embargo Cuban leaf?

The (abbreviated) story on the pre-embargo leaf in Pinar is that is was part of the estate of a cigar manufacturer named Grossman that was tied up in probate for many, many years. When the estate was settled, the leaf was sold off and turned into these Pinar cigars.

A little searching will turn up several commentaries by cigar industry figures who express doubt on the provenance of this story.
 
The (abbreviated) story on the pre-embargo leaf in Pinar is that is was part of the estate of a cigar manufacturer named Grossman that was tied up in probate for many, many years. When the estate was settled, the leaf was sold off and turned into these Pinar cigars.

A little searching will turn up several commentaries by cigar industry figures who express doubt on the provenance of this story.
Regardless of the veracity of the story, the benefit to aging is that the blend improves with age. Tobacco leaves, presumably of similar stock, aged unblended, hold little to no appeal to me.
 
Pinar P3000: That's right, I went there ...
. . . And you came back.

Welcome back Bro'.
Tried the Pinar's a long while back . . . they just don't do it for me . . . but it may be somebody else's cup of tea.

I'll tell you this, I've tried some real authentic pre-embargo's, the Pinar's are nowhere as close as NY is to Tokyo. Just MHO.
 
Regardless of the veracity of the story, the benefit to aging is that the blend improves with age. Tobacco leaves, presumably of similar stock, aged unblended, hold little to no appeal to me.


I wasn't speaking for the taste or quality of the cigar. I was simply recounting the story of the pre-embargo leaf, and mentioning that some find it specious.
 
. . . And you came back.

Welcome back Bro'.
Tried the Pinar's a long while back . . . they just don't do it for me . . . but it may be somebody else's cup of tea.

I'll tell you this, I've tried some real authentic pre-embargo's, the Pinar's are nowhere as close as NY is to Tokyo. Just MHO.

Fear not...I was not captivated by the spell... though they were certainly interesting. What other pre-embargo sticks are out there?
 
I wasn't speaking for the taste or quality of the cigar. I was simply recounting the story of the pre-embargo leaf, and mentioning that some find it specious.
Certainly. As do I. I'm just saying that a cigar that builds its reputation on "aged tobacco" is on a shaky foundation either way you look at it.
 
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