So my B&M says a Vinotemp is a bad idea????

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blckthree

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So I am in visiting my local B&M and discussing humidors, storing cigars, Vinotemps, Coolerdors, etc. He gives me his opinions which vary greatly from what I have seen here.

Coolerdors, he says they will deep a cigar fresh, but they won’t age a cigar because you cant get enough Spanish Cedar in them and not to keep them in there for longer than 3 months.

Vinotemps, he says they are bad for cigars because you cant get the temperature high enough, they stay too cold for a cigar to season. Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar.

He tells me the only good way to store a cigar is in a cedar lined humidor, the desktop variety so the cigar is surrounded by wood and has no plastic in there.

I try to explain I was looking for an alternative which would allow me to store whole boxes of cigars and that wouldn’t do it.

To that his recommendation is a walk in humidor, which is a great idea, if I had lots of money, which I don’t.

So, is he blowing smoke up my a$$ and telling me this because if I am buying whole boxes of cigars, I am not going to be in his store buying singles, or what’s the deal with his thoughts? The guy has always treated me right when I am there, always helpful, I trusted his opinions, but I have my doubts on these opinions.

Mike :confused:
 
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I don't know enough to give you the right answer...though keep in mind, what people don't know will lead them to give mis information, also it's in his best interest to keep you buying humidors from him. Not saying he's a bad guy and wrong, just some things to keep on the back burner.
 
blckthree said:
So I am in visiting my local B&M and discussing humidors, storing cigars, Vinotemps, Coolerdors, etc. He gives me his opinions which vary greatly from what I have seen here.

Coolerdors, he says they will deep a cigar fresh, but they won’t age a cigar because you cant get enough Spanish Cedar in them and not to keep them in there for longer than 3 months.

Vinotemps, he says they are bad for cigars because you cant get the temperature high enough, they stay too cold for a cigar to season. Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar.

He tells me the only good way to store a cigar is in a cedar lined humidor, the desktop variety so the cigar is surrounded by wood and has no plastic in there.

I try to explain I was looking for an alternative which would allow me to store whole boxes of cigars and that wouldn’t do it.

To that his recommendation is a walk in humidor, which is a great idea, if I had lots of money, which I don’t.

So, is he blowing smoke up my a$$ and telling me this because if I am buying whole boxes of cigars, I am not going to be in his store buying singles, or what’s the deal with his thoughts? The guy has always treated me right when I am there, always helpful, I trusted his opinions, but I have my doubts on these opinions.

Mike :confused:
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I certainly can't speak to his motivation but he is most certainly "blowing smoke up your a$$"
Cigars will age in a Vino or cooler. Maybe marginally slower but not enough to notice.
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I keep some singles in my Daniel Marshall and my boxes in a large cooler and i have sen no difference with them. Some have been in there for a few years. Remember, he probably doesnt sell coolers or vino's so he is probably looking for some humidor business. Good luck, and tell us what you decide to do.
 
blckthree said:
He tells me the only good way to store a cigar is in a cedar lined humidor, the desktop variety so the cigar is surrounded by wood and has no plastic in there.
Mike :confused:
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I wouldn't do business with the guy. He is lying to you.

I have been storing my smokes in boxes in coolerdors and tupperdors for years and they have aged magnificently.

I have some other smokes in humidors and they have done fine as well.
 
Next you should say, "I found on tampahumidors these really nice ones" for him to tell you why they're crap.. you could propose any alternative and he'll probably try to convince you otherwise until you mention his products
 
I am CERTAINLY no expert but it seems to me that if we are only talking about boxes, this makes no sense. They are already surrounded by SC. Exactly how many layers of SC do you need to properly age?

If we are talking singles outside of boxes, then it would make a little more sense.
 
Besides the wonderful aroma of Spanish Cedar, which I'm not sure i'd want infused in all my cigars, the point of the Cedar is to provide a medium that is resistant to mold and help maintain humidity.

As far as I'm concerned you can use any container that doesn't infuse any odors into your cigars if you can maintain your desired humidity level.

Besides, if you've got cigars in cigar boxes already, how is more wood outside the box going to help you age your cigars.

As far as temperature goes, there's always going to be debate. But I tell you i'd rather have my cigars on the cooler side than the warmer side.
 
Should have asked the
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haha, I love the "can't get the temperature high enough" line, when Habanos SA includes an instruction sheet that says to keep the between 16-18C (60-65F). Why in the world does he think cigar need heat?

Spanish cedar has nothing to do with aging a cigar. It's there as a humidity buffer, to help repel insects and mold, and to a much lesser extent, to lend some flavor to the cigar. None of this is "aging".
 
I have the temperature in my VinoTemp set at 68*...that's too cold??? :confused:


From my experience, people who own or work at B&Ms are not the most knowledgeable about cigars. There are many stories here on CS about B&M owners/employees claiming that mold is plume, keeping the humidity of their humidors at 75% or even higher, etc.


I will trust the opinion of 1,000 gorillas before I trust the opinion of 1 businessman. :ss
 
blckthree said:
So I am in visiting my local B&M and discussing humidors, storing cigars, Vinotemps, Coolerdors, etc. He gives me his opinions which vary greatly from what I have seen here.

Coolerdors, he says they will deep a cigar fresh, but they won’t age a cigar because you cant get enough Spanish Cedar in them and not to keep them in there for longer than 3 months. Not enough spanish cedar in it. Hmmm I have a piece of 1/4 solid spanish cedar that is the same as the bottom interior dimension of my cooler which I would hazard a guess has as much or more exposed surface area of cedar as any of his desktops do. That and the issue is BS as in coolers are normally boxes which also have spanish cedar in them. I would also look in his store humidor and do the math on the spanish cedar to cigar ratio in his walk in, I am betting it wouldn't be the same as what he is suggesting. I agree with all the other posters, this is just sales BS

Vinotemps, he says they are bad for cigars because you cant get the temperature high enough, they stay too cold for a cigar to season. Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar. Both my Vinos run at 62F right where I want them to be and in optimal common storage temperatures. Also the shelves in my Vinos are all 1/4 inch solid spanish cedar and I would put forth the same argument that there is more surface area of Cedar than in any of his desktops. Also the Vino is not subject to temperature fluctations at all where as a desktop is subject to whatever conditions it is kept in and therefore can experience large temperature swings.

He tells me the only good way to store a cigar is in a cedar lined humidor, the desktop variety so the cigar is surrounded by wood and has no plastic in there.

I try to explain I was looking for an alternative which would allow me to store whole boxes of cigars and that wouldn’t do it.

To that his recommendation is a walk in humidor, which is a great idea, if I had lots of money, which I don’t.

So, is he blowing smoke up my a$$you hit it right on the head here, sounds to me like you have more knowledge than his sales tactics can overcome. In my opinion a retailer that is dishonest in this kind of info will likely be less than honest on other issues and if you have a choice maybe you should be buying elsewhere. and telling me this because if I am buying whole boxes of cigars, I am not going to be in his store buying singles, or what’s the deal with his thoughts? The guy has always treated me right when I am there, always helpful, I trusted his opinions, but I have my doubts on these opinions. Sounds like those opinoins where only given when he didn't feel at risk of your business, I find the more I learn about a given thing the more likely the "experts" are likely to try and prove their position, some of his arguments may be what he truly thinks but there are thousands upon thousands of hours of collective experience in this forum that seem to disagree with what he is saying.

When in doubt I go with the jungle and my guts, neither has steered me wrong.

Not much new insite in my post based on those that answered before me but I hope it helps
Mike :confused:
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clampdown said:
I keep some singles in my Daniel Marshall and my boxes in a large cooler and i have sen no difference with them. Some have been in there for a few years. Remember, he probably doesnt sell coolers or vino's so he is probably looking for some humidor business. Good luck, and tell us what you decide to do.
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For now, I don't have a need for a Vinotemp yet and am still waiting on approval from the wife to purchase one. Until the need and approval are here, I keep the picture below stuck to the 'fridge in the kitchen as a constant reminder to her. One of these days she will just tell me to go get one and be done with it, and hopefully that happens before my desktops are full.


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Pretty much what I thought about his opinions, he doesnt sell them, he wants me to buy from him. I was having trouble understanding the part about them not aging though, that one had me scratching my head for a while and really blew his theories out of the water. You guys finished his theories off.

Thanks guys,
Mike :)
 
Trust the collective 100,000 years of real experience that you here at CS.

None of these guys are trying to make a dime off of you, and will give you the best input based on their vast experience and their love of the hobby.

The guys here have never, ever steered me wrong.

My :2
 
borndead1 said:
From my experience, people who own or work at B&Ms are not the most knowledgeable about cigars. There are many stories here on CS about B&M owners/employees claiming that mold is plume, keeping the humidity of their humidors at 75% or even higher, etc.
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:tpd: It never ceases to amaze me how little some folks know who actually work at or even own some Cigar shops. I agree with others here, the CS community is as good a source of cigar knowledge as you'll find...

I would'nt say the guy was intentionaly misleading you, I'd rather believe he's talking about things he has no real knowledge of or experience with, But he is WRONG!!!

I dont own a vinotemp, but I am the proud owner of a 168qt cooler that I've been using for a couple years now and it is much easier to maintain than any of the desktops I own
 
oldforge said:
I wouldn't do business with the guy. He is lying to you.
I have been storing my smokes in boxes in coolerdors and tupperdors for years and they have aged magnificently.

I have some other smokes in humidors and they have done fine as well.
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He's either lying, which makes him dishonest - and why would you do business with a dishonest merchant when there are so many stand-up guys running B&M's - or he's ignorant, which makes him an idiot for spouting off about something he doesn't know...and why would you want to do business with an idiot?

Either way, I myself would take my business elsewhere henceforth.
 
He's on crack end of story. He's trying to get you to buy every humidor in his store so the money is in his pocket and not yours! If its such a bad idea why do numerous people here have them? It's a great idea. Keep it and blow off his comments.:tu
 
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