So my B&M says a Vinotemp is a bad idea????

[O-Danger]

I agree that there are many owners that simply do not have the knowledge and make up something as not to sound ignorant. I once asked the owner of a B&M about humi beads, he had no knowledge on the subject but lucky for me he let me know instead of leading astray. Look for someone that wont feed you :BS

-:2

 

[Volt]

That is one sweet sweet set up. I may "borrow you cooler idea.

:tpd: It never ceases to amaze me how little some folks know who actually work at or even own some Cigar shops. I agree with others here, the CS community is as good a source of cigar knowledge as you'll find...

I would'nt say the guy was intentionaly misleading you, I'd rather believe he's talking about things he has no real knowledge of or experience with, But he is WRONG!!!

I dont own a vinotemp, but I am the proud owner of a 168qt cooler that I've been using for a couple years now and it is much easier to maintain than any of the desktops I own

 

[Bax]

Most desktops aren't spanish cedar. They're pine or polplar or something with a very thin veneer of spanish cedar. The wrapper on some cigars is thicker than your average humi liner. You can put in as much as you like, boxes, shelves or liners.

I don't know if he was telling you a lie, it might be what he believes. But remember, just because you believe something doesn't make it true. :tu

 

[MoTheMan]

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Vinotemps, he says they are bad for cigars because you cant get the temperature high enough, they stay too cold for a cigar to season. Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar.
Mike

Hmm!

Just don't go telling that to Poker. I hear he's geting himself a Vinotemp.

As for me, I always preferred a Closetdor. A couple of gorillas I know have also recently converted closets into walk-in humidors, without all the extra cost of building a new one.

There are many different ways to store cigars. Some of that depends on how much you want to spend on storage, some of that on personal considerations.

The Brits (& some Europeans) often use their basements, where it's colder (60 deg) and constantly damp year round. They'll often store their wines right along with their cigars there. I've been inside a basement or two like that. It's amazing that they keep their temp & RH so constant year round.

The only advice I'll give is this, how do you want to store your cigars, and how much do you want to spend? Those should be the key questions. Using your imagination from there is all up to you.

 

[BigDilly]

For sale in his store:

Coolers? No
Vinotemps? No
Desktop Humidors? Yes

My dear Watson, I have a clue

:tpd::tpd::tpd:

It's all about The Benjamins Baby:ss

 

[ellisb]

He's on crack end of story. He's trying to get you to buy every humidor in his store so the money is in his pocket and not yours! If its such a bad idea why do numerous people here have them? It's a great idea. Keep it and blow off his comments.:tu

I think the merchant is trying to protect his cigar business and not his humidor business.

Once you go to a Vino or a huge cooler, you'll start buying boxes online and not from your local B&M. I have seen B&M owners say some pretty nasty stuff about the online guys to protect their business.

I have been using my cooler for years with absolutely no complaints. Have no fear....

-EB

 

[blckthree]

I think the merchant is trying to protect his cigar business and not his humidor business.

-EB

Yeah, I would agree, he only had 3 humidors in the place. I never mentioned buying cigars online, I thought that would be the kiss of death for me as far as having a good relationship with the B&M was concerned. He's a good guy, knowledgeable within his realm of things, would have never even brought up the subject if I hadn't asked him first. I was curious as to what kind of answer he would give me.

I know I wouldnt be buying boxes in the store, they are too much money there. But it is nice to go in and find one or two you want to try without waiting on the mail and paying shipping.

Mike

 

[oldforge]

Yeah, I would agree, he only had 3 humidors in the place. I never mentioned buying cigars online, I thought that would be the kiss of death for me as far as having a good relationship with the B&M was concerned. He's a good guy, knowledgeable within his realm of things, would have never even brought up the subject if I hadn't asked him first. I was curious as to what kind of answer he would give me.

I know I wouldnt be buying boxes in the store, they are too much money there. But it is nice to go in and find one or two you want to try without waiting on the mail and paying shipping.

Mike

The classy way he should have handled the situation would be to admit he was not an expert on vinotemps and coolerdors but say that humidors had always worked for him. He then should have admitted his concern you might abandon him for online vendors and then said:

"I really enjoy your visits to the store, and hope that you will come by to chat and sample a smoke or two even after you have dozens of boxes in your collection."

The B & M folks need to understand what they do have to offer and market that. Misinformation just won't cut it. If I were to continue to do business with the guy he and I would have to have a little heart to heart on the subject. If he couldn't deal with my constructive criticism then he would have to live without my patronage.

(Btw, after you have many boxes in your collection you won't be worried about waiting for a new arrival. You will be worried about how you are going to create more storage space in your vinotemp/coolerdor. )

 

[beamish]

So I am in visiting my local B&M and discussing humidors, storing cigars, Vinotemps, Coolerdors, etc. He gives me his opinions which vary greatly from what I have seen here.

Coolerdors, he says they will deep a cigar fresh, but they won’t age a cigar because you cant get enough Spanish Cedar in them and not to keep them in there for longer than 3 months.

Vinotemps, he says they are bad for cigars because you cant get the temperature high enough, they stay too cold for a cigar to season. Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar.

He tells me the only good way to store a cigar is in a cedar lined humidor, the desktop variety so the cigar is surrounded by wood and has no plastic in there.

I try to explain I was looking for an alternative which would allow me to store whole boxes of cigars and that wouldn’t do it.

To that his recommendation is a walk in humidor, which is a great idea, if I had lots of money, which I don’t.

So, is he blowing smoke up my a$$ and telling me this because if I am buying whole boxes of cigars, I am not going to be in his store buying singles, or what’s the deal with his thoughts? The guy has always treated me right when I am there, always helpful, I trusted his opinions, but I have my doubts on these opinions.

Mike

:BS:BS

 

[jkorp]

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I dont own a vinotemp, but I am the proud owner of a 168qt cooler that I've been using for a couple years now and it is much easier to maintain than any of the desktops I own

VERY nice cooler set up!


I have a Vino and it works great for storage and smoking out of. I can't speak to aging as I'm not financially at a place where I can just set boxes away for deep sleep...but, there are many here who do.

I remember reading a post by Mister Moo, I think, that found a La Vieja Habana blue label had developed plume in his winechill-a-dor. Now if that's not good aging I don't know what is.

They keep perfect temperature, mine stays around 64F. My RH stays around 62-64%. Perfect IMO.

 

[jkorp]

Oh forgot one thing, your B&M guy doesn't know what he's talking about, which seems pretty typical unfortunately.

Go find a fuzzy cigar in his walk-in and ask him if it's plume to be sure, lol.

 

[Mtmouse]

Also the same theory about not being able to get enough Spanish Cedar in one to properly age a cigar.

You can show him this photo and ask him how much Spanish cedar is required, in his mind.

 

[blckthree]

You can show him this photo and ask him how much Spanish cedar is required, in his mind.

That's the same photo I keep on the 'fridge for the wife to constantly see. One of these days I will end up there, it seems like it happens to most of us. For now, I will get by with the two desktops I have.

Those are some sweet shelves and drawers you make!

Mike

 

[s0leful0ne]

definitely sounds like a ploy for your biz...and for the spanish cedar comment...that is BS...my humidor, which was tremendously overpriced and overhyped is lined with mahogany...

 

[pbrennan10]

Time doesn't pass in my vinotemp?

Crawling in, see you guys in 4000.