Thanks to Demented, I now can add baking to my hobbies. This is my third time baking bread and I'm starting to get it. I combined three recipes and some common baking skills so I can't begin to write the recipe down. I used "Pioneer" starter. It's sweeter than San Fransisco type. Now I have three types of starter coming that I ordered from sourdo.com. Yes there is a slippery slope everywhere you look.