what ever happened to the genuine maduro?

awsmith4 said:
Hate to rain on your parade, but I've had a Partagas Black that was dyed
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Ahhhh yes, but the devil is in the detail. I should have said Partagas Partagas. Although I like most Partagas cigars, I do not enjoy the black. Partagas Partagas and Partagas Cifuentes are two that I enjoy. I believe I would also enjoy the 150 and 160 if I ever had the good fortune to sample one.
 
Anything that is jet-black is suspicious in my book. I remember when I first started smoking and getting bad smokes. Some cigars it looked like you just ate a warm snickers with all the dye on your hands & mouth.

I want to say I'm surprised that the RP OWR maduro is dyed but I'm not. A lot of his stuff I am suspicious of.
 
Rocky's construction is what I judge a lot of others by.

It's top notch. Taste rules, but I HATE stained fingers!

The last FSS RP Select Mini Belicosos tasted so good, but
I can't handle stained fingers.
 
I'll tell ya, I've chewed tobacco that'll stain your fingers, lips, teeth and anything it comes in contact with.
I'm not saying that the wrappers are dyed or not, because I don't know.
What I do know is that tobacco gives off colored juice, and it'll leave it's impression on my fingers.

I do a lot of slobbering and chewing on my cigars.
A couple weeks ago I smoked an Anejo and had a hell of a mess. Into my mouth I squeezed out the juicy mess I had made. It was incredibly salty.
When I spit it out, it was almost black. The stain on the sidewalk will probably last forever and my fingers were stained.
I don't want think that Anejo's are dyed, ya know?

I guess my point is that this sounds more like a conspirary theory than fact to me, and that some tobacco makes some serious "dye" of it's own.
It doesn't matter one way or another to me, though. I'd rather not smoke dye, so I'll probably stay away from sticks that I know are dyed if I know before I buy them.
 
Being dyed doesn't mean that they didn't go through the maduro fermentation. It just means that they wanted a very consistent wrapper color also. I have seen people on this board complain that a box of maduros isn't dark enough or consistent through the box.

Dying is the cheap way to solve this. Not saying I like it but thats the way it is.
 
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Just because a Maduro stains does not mean it's dyed. Granted yes some do use dye - but as an example I have had Ashton Maduro's leave a slight stain after I got them a little too moist - and they are not dyed. Maduro's have a high sugar content - this coupled with moisture and heat I believe is what leads to the staining.

Of course if your hands turn black from a smoke - then it's dye no doubt. And as mentioned already - any cigar that has a extreme dark to black wrapper is surely suspect.



Ron
 
i agree i would say sometimes yes and sometimes no. broadleaf maduros are much thicker and tougher than most wrappers. i have had some "maduros" that were very thin and brittle henceforth it appears that some cigars are taken and dyed then presented as a maduro (im talking about the IT cameroon legend maduro). The cameroon legend is a good cigar imo ive had it many times, but the maduro version seems to be the same cigar just with a dyed wrapper. i left a half smoked one outside overnight and the rain washed the dye out and it looked like a tan wrapper after all said an done. so i would say yes some companies do ferment then dye and some dont, but there should be no dye in the first place

SUOrangeGuy said:
Being dyed doesn't mean that they didn't go through the maduro fermentation. It just means that they wanted a very consistent wrapper color also. I have seen people on this board complain that a box of maduros isn't dark enough or consistent through the box.

Dying is the cheap way to solve this. Not saying I like it but thats the way it is.
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add perdomo reserve maduro to the list, just had one and my girl came over and started laughing at me and said my lips were brown, i was halfway through so i tried the wet finger test and as you would imagine, dye. UGH
 
awsmith4 said:
Hate to rain on your parade, but I've had a Partagas Black that was dyed
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a little thing about the partagas black first off I'm not surprised its a dye job too black, secondly, partagas doesn't even claim it to be a maduro, other people call it one. I don't even like this cigar. Benji Menendez from partagas came to the shop last year and was saying it wasn't a maduro. which is why they don't call it one.
But my :2 on the matter is if a cigar is too dark I don't trust it top be a genuine maduro. Like padron, their 1000 line half the time you can barely diswtinguish the diference between the nats, and the mads, that is no dye.
 
Ive noticed this trend too, it probably comes down to cost... but i have noticed that cheaper maduros tend to be dyed where as known brands tend to be real mad... dont know. just a bit weird.
 
The list of maduros that ARE NOT dyed would be much shorter than the list of those that are. I have been told that coffee is used to darken the wrappers. I guess as long as it ain't shoe polish I'm ok. :ss



Stained fingers is not really a good indicator of a dyed wrapper. Some non maduro cigars I smoke leave a brown stain on my fingers.
 
mapes said:
this could be possible i suppose but then how come not every maduro does it? ive never had this problem with the more reputable high quality cigars. ive also read articles about the dying process so it is known that companies do in fact use the technique. when you mention the ooze are you talking about tar coming out of the head where you make the cut? cause i have that happen a couple times on very full cigars and that is indeed tar buildup and not because of a dyed wrapper.
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Sorry. I missed this post so didn't respond at the time.

The ooze comes out of some of the maduros I smoke at the wrapper seam ahead of the cut. (BTW, I don't think I smoke any "reputable, high quality cigars":)) It doesn't happen all the time in the same cigar "line". It does seem to me that it happens more often when the cigars are fresh off the truck.

I had a Taboo SFO the other day. An outstanding cigar but, as I got close to the end of the cigar, there was a bit of ooze at the "seam line" and this ooze was certainly enough to stain one's fingers. I don't imagine the SFO has been dyed? Anyway, dyed or not, I enjoyed the SFO and all the other maduros I have in my cooler whether they're dyed or not.

WyoBob
 
shilala said:
I'll tell ya, I've chewed tobacco that'll stain your fingers, lips, teeth and anything it comes in contact with.
I'm not saying that the wrappers are dyed or not, because I don't know.
What I do know is that tobacco gives off colored juice, and it'll leave it's impression on my fingers.

I do a lot of slobbering and chewing on my cigars.
A couple weeks ago I smoked an Anejo and had a hell of a mess. Into my mouth I squeezed out the juicy mess I had made. It was incredibly salty.
When I spit it out, it was almost black. The stain on the sidewalk will probably last forever and my fingers were stained.
I don't want think that Anejo's are dyed, ya know?

I guess my point is that this sounds more like a conspirary theory than fact to me, and that some tobacco makes some serious "dye" of it's own.
It doesn't matter one way or another to me, though. I'd rather not smoke dye, so I'll probably stay away from sticks that I know are dyed if I know before I buy them.
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i agree with you 100%. Tobacco will stain your fingers or anything else that it touches. Wet tobacco will REALLY stain. Just because you have a stain on your fingers does not indicate that a particular brand dyes their sticks.

A really dark maduro (black), to me, is a gimmick give-a-way. The CAO MX2 is a prime example, IMO.

I should qualify that last remark. I know a lot of folks who love the MX2. But to me, it tastes like an artificial maduro.
 
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borndead1 said:
The list of maduros that ARE NOT dyed would be much shorter than the list of those that are. I have been told that coffee is used to darken the wrappers.
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My real problem with dyed wrappers is you don't know what kind of crap they are putting in the dye. It's too much like cigarettes.

For this reason, I don't buy maduros at all anymore, except for Padron, Fuente, and La Gloria Cubana. I am reasonably certain these are "real" maduros (i.e., fermented to become a darker leaf) because they are (a) reputable brands that have stood the test of time, and (b) they look dark brown, nowhere near black.

To be honest, I prefer naturals anyway so it's no big loss to me, but in general I won't pay for any maduro that is not one of those three brands. (I have, however, accepted maduro cigars that have been gifted to me)
 
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