Your opinion needed - I sent package and DC# shows dlvd but buyer hasn't received yet

I HATE the post office. What a waste of breathable air. I make sure all my incoming packages "Require Signature" Yet they just leave stuff on my front porch. These guys are scumbags. Quality of service is going down faster than they can increase the postal rates?! I have had packages dripping and delapadated and they are standing in front of me saying they arent responsible because I cant prove they did that...WTF?!?! it is in their hand. WTF, should I have to pay for insurance...I am already paying you too much...I pay you to deliver the package...if you fail...you fail and are responsible. If I take my car into the dealership to get new tires put on and they smash they are liable for the damages.

Sorry for the rant and even more sorry if you are a postal worker but...
 
Perhaps you could give the buyer half the money back... you got screwed out of smokes, he got screwed out of money. There is gray area though and this:

floydpink said:
Not sure how this will sound, but is the buyer an established member here?
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seems to be a valid question.

For the record, Bruin, I dealt with you before and we had a flawless transaction... I would do business with you again without hesitation. :tu
 
foxtrot7 said:
I HATE the post office. What a waste of breathable air. I make sure all my incoming packages "Require Signature" Yet they just leave stuff on my front porch. These guys are scumbags. Quality of service is going down faster than they can increase the postal rates?! I have had packages dripping and delapadated and they are standing in front of me saying they arent responsible because I cant prove they did that...WTF?!?! it is in their hand. WTF, should I have to pay for insurance...I am already paying you too much...I pay you to deliver the package...if you fail...you fail and are responsible. If I take my car into the dealership to get new tires put on and they smash they are liable for the damages.

Sorry for the rant and even more sorry if you are a postal worker but...
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all 800,000 of them?
 
Ive dealt with Bruin7 before and he is pretty quick with shipment and response and I wouldnt hesitate to do business with him again. Its the holiday season and just think about all of the other packages being shipped. There is a chance that USPS is behind and to be honest I think that their system has an automatic update. Like I said before I would give it a day or so and then call the post office directly. Hope things get resolved so both sides are happy
 
nosaj02 said:
There is a chance that USPS is behind and to be honest I think that their system has an automatic update.
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I'm not sure about the validity of that statement... I have never seen a package claim to be delivered via the automated system that has not physically been delivered (somewhere). Even on things that took 8 days to arrive (far longer than the 2-3 days claimed)... they didn't show delivered until they were truly delivered.

Also, he stated that this has been nearly 2 weeks and the automated system showed it delivered after a few days.
 
DBall said:
I'm not sure about the validity of that statement... I have never seen a package claim to be delivered via the automated system that has not physically been delivered (somewhere). Even on things that took 8 days to arrive (far longer than the 2-3 days claimed)... they didn't show delivered until they were truly delivered.

Also, he stated that this has been nearly 2 weeks and the automated system showed it delivered after a few days.
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True. My statement is purely speculation but on the flip side I have recevied packages numerous times and not had the system show delivered for over a week. Im in somewhat of a similar situation because someone sent me a package that shows delivered and I have not gotten anything
 
When I have been in situations like this one, I bucked up and sent another package. It is up to the parties involved to agree on what they think is fair.
 
stevieray said:
all 800,000 of them?
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:tpd: I have never had a problem with my postman/lady. I had an issue with payment getting lost in the mail, but that was the 1st incident I have ever had, and from now on everything gets with a DC and insurance no matter what it is. It's worth the extra few bucks for a little assurance and tracking capability IMO.

As far as the OP....The question was raised about the buyer being an established member. I don't think anyone is saying that if you're not an established member, you may receive and deny you ever did, but as an established trader with a spotless track record it would seem strange to cut and run over a $50 transaction. As far as advice and opinion...It's been said. Try and find out what happened through the post office, and come to a solution with the buyer you both can agree upon.
 
Have the person call their post office to see if the package is there to pick up. The P.O requires the clerks to scan all the priority mail packages with delivery confirmation upon arrival to the delivery office. If the clerk hits "delivered" instead of "arrived" on the scanner this would cause the problem you are having. 9 times out of 10 the package was attempted at the delivery address but was not left due to weather conditions, no safe location to leave,...etc. and the Letter carrier brings the package back to the office.
 
Bruin7 said:
I wanted to ask my fellow bros an opinion. What should I do in this situation???

What should I do???
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My opinion? Don't ask for other's opinions. You obviously didn't hear what you wanted to hear from ResIpsa and others, so you argue with their logic. Then why did you ask for others' opinions??

foxtrot7 said:
I HATE the post office. What a waste of breathable air. I make sure all my incoming packages "Require Signature" Yet they just leave stuff on my front porch. These guys are scumbags.
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I don't even know how to respond to that except to say that is one of the most inflammatory, ignorant things said on this Forum is a long time. Not saying you are ignorant...but your statement certainly is. :2
 
I gotta agree with Tom on the postman statement. I don't know about the whole country, but where i live, most i have met are veterans and far from "scumbags".
 
floydpink said:
I gotta agree with Tom on the postman statement. I don't know about the whole country, but where i live, most i have met are veterans and far from "scumbags".
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true enough. i haven't met a bad one and a lot in the local area are my clients. the postal system might not work as well as we want it to but no "courier" organization is perfect.

i'm in the same situation but there was no money involved. shipped a package and it says delivered but not there and believe me if the recipient had gotten it they would have told me. i asked and no dice yet but who knows. honestly giving it 30 days and calling the post master is your best advice given here. if not it's 50$. not really too big in the grand scheme of things. many have given up more than that in bombs and been happy to do so :ss
 
PayPal policies are immaterial unless the service will make one of you whole.
(It won't, by the way.) It's up to the buyer and seller to make this right. There are four possibilites here:
*The item was delivered and stolen.
*The item was misdelivered and is at another adress
*The item was delivered as stated
*The item was never delivered, but scanned as if delivered

The delivery confirmation is evidence that an item was shipped and delivered, and I would think that alone would relieve the seller of any further responsibility, if this issue made it to arbitration. That's a harsh stand. Personally, I'd give back the money right away if I were the seller or persue the matter further with USPS if I were the buyer.
 
I'll send him something to make it up. Whatever...sorry if this wasted your time. Thanks for the opinions though.

Bruin7
 
icehog3 said:
I don't even know how to respond to that except to say that is one of the most inflammatory, ignorant things said on this Forum is a long time. Not saying you are ignorant...but your statement certainly is. :2
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I completely agree...I have had trouble here and there with th Post Office but to say they are a waste of breathable air and scumbugs is really crossing the line. These are some hard working people...especially this time of year.

I agree with the earlier post that said the best way to handle this was to refund half the money if the package cannot be found. It is neither party's fault but there has to be a compromise....:2
 
Teninx said:
The delivery confirmation is evidence that an item was shipped and delivered, and I would think that alone would relieve the seller of any further responsibility, if this issue made it to arbitration. .....or persue the matter further with USPS if I were the buyer.
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This is wrong information, I'm sorry.

Up to now we've been talking about what a person should morally do.

Legally speaking, the above information is incorrect, and in case someone has a similar problem in the future I'd hate to see them operating under a false impression.

What we are talking about here is a contract between the buyer and seller. The buyer agreed to pay 50 dollars, and lived up to his end of the bargain.

The seller had an obligation to deliver the cigars. He didn't do that, unless he can prove that they were received, not delivered.Maybe the seller has an issue with USPS, maybe not because he didn't buy insurance. But it is not up to the buyer to take it up with USPS, it's up to the seller as a legal matter.
 
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I did a trade awhile back and had the same problem, I am pretty sure he is still a member here, not sure exactly who it was, but it said delivered and I sent him a pm asking about it and he told me he would check on it. Turns out that the post office delivered to the wrong house. Both of us were newer members at the time with little positive feedback. Have trust in the guy you sent the package to, packages get lost or delivered incorrectly. It is a very busy time for post office employees, I just had a priority package mailed within my state that took four days to get there.
Edit-Think of the buyer in this situation, if I bought the package from you and you didn't believe me when I said it wasn't delivered and you started a thread like this, I would be pretty ticked off.
 
Kind of a sticky situation, all legal things aside I would try to work it out with the person you traded with, which is what Allen is doing I believe. May not have the exact sticks, but Im sure something can be worked out for the both of you to be happy. Its neither persons fault if the package got lost, it happens. Ive had it happen to me a couple of times too. Ive traded with Allen and he is a stand up BOTL, sorry this happened to ya bro.

Side rant :D My regular postal guy goes the extra mile to make sure my packages stay out of the rain and get delivered to me....now his relief person could use some schooling :gn
 
foxtrot7 said:
I HATE the post office. What a waste of breathable air. I make sure all my incoming packages "Require Signature" Yet they just leave stuff on my front porch. These guys are scumbags. Quality of service is going down faster than they can increase the postal rates?! I have had packages dripping and delapadated and they are standing in front of me saying they arent responsible because I cant prove they did that...WTF?!?! it is in their hand. WTF, should I have to pay for insurance...I am already paying you too much...I pay you to deliver the package...if you fail...you fail and are responsible. If I take my car into the dealership to get new tires put on and they smash they are liable for the damages.

Sorry for the rant and even more sorry if you are a postal worker but...
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I've had two minor snafoos with USPS.With all that I ship for myself and on behalf of CS,they are golden in my book.... :2
 
ok you guys are right. I crossed the line with the insults. But my rant of the postal system stays. If you had great dealings good for you, but I can count on 1 hand the number of packages that were delivered properly with required signatures. I have even fought missing packages that the USPS has come back with a signed slip (forged) that had perfect cursive of my name. My signature is illegible and more of a consistent scribble.
 
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