Cigar Misconceptions
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dustinhayden
Somewhere in the Jungle
The age stigma.
You have to be an old man to smoke a cigar.
33 years young here and hang out at bars and clubs with younger and older people and I smoke cigars.
Same here except I'm 30.
brianhewitt
Young Ape
Great points. The aging = improvement was the first misconception that came to mind. With some cigars aging = loss of flavor.
Another classic misconception: That anybody in the past 20+ years has "found" some great aged, pre-embargo Cuban tobacco that's worth making cigars from. Sorry no. What you're actually getting is reconstituted floor-sweepings. But then, you'll know that as soon as you light up. Yuck! :2
brianhewitt
Young Ape
Speaking of cigarettes- the misconception that "cigars smell bad", which results in them being banned from places that allow cigarette smoking! Not that there are that many places left where you can smoke either.
Which reminds me of another misconception. That smoking bans don't violate peoples rights or that they save lives. As you said though, it's a argument that's impossible to win. The deck is stacked against us with junk science and bogus statistics. :BS
SmokinAFuente
ChestBeater
:tpd:
You hand me some thing rare (which we all know are better than any thing else :r ) , discontinued or unreleased and it will be lit before you can get your hand back to your side. :ss
GrtndpwrflOZ
GrtndpwrflGrandPa
That cigar smokers are better than cigarette smokers.
That cigar forum information is the end all tell all.
That a prominent cigar smoker's opinions are facts.
That people who smoke cigars make a big todo (post about it, take pictures of it, talk about it) when they smoke cigars....they just smoke their cigar.
j/k
I think
That cigar forum information is the end all tell all.
That a prominent cigar smoker's opinions are facts.
That people who smoke cigars make a big todo (post about it, take pictures of it, talk about it) when they smoke cigars....they just smoke their cigar.
j/k
I think
Dave,
This is something that I have always been a bit confused about. I feel that thinner cigars allow you to taste the wrapper more. I think this is due to them having less filler than a larger cigar.
My thought process on this is kind of confusing even to myself so please don't mind the jumbled info below.
Lets say for example we have three cigars.
Cigar 1 = 38 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 2 = 50 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 3 = 54 Ring x 7.00 Length
Lets break down the dimensions
Cigar 1 = 38/64 x 7.00 or 0.59375 x 7.00
Cigar 2 = 50/64 x 7.00 or 0.78125 x 7.00
Cigar 3 = 54/64 x 7.00 or 0.85375 x 7.00
Taking those numbers, lets translate to surface area
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches
Now lets break each cigar into volume, or tobaccos contained within
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches
This is the point where I begin to get confused. Generating a ratio between Surface Area to Volume seems a bit odd in my mind. Up to this point I've used calculators to generate the numbers for me (please don't get the impression I'm into math
)Rather than trying to create a ratio lets just look at the percentages.
Surface Area:
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches = 33.3% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches = 44.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Volume:
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches = 73.2% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches = 101.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Believe it or not, I thought breaking it down like this would make it less confusing for me, boy was I wrong....
Looking at the numbers (which may or may not mean much of anything), we can see that the increase in Wrapper, or Surface Area, is a fairly small increase when compared to Filler, Volume.
As we move from a Lancero and get larger the percentage of Wrapper increases a fairly small amount compared to the filler. If the people that say 80% of a cigars flavor comes from the wrapper are correct we can easily see why.
On a personal note
Since I don't necessarily believe that a generic figure like 80% of all wrapper varieties make up a cigars flavor, I think it all comes down to what filler is used versus the wrapper.
Now if you factor in the binder it gets even worse. I've heard people say that binder accounts for virtually no flavor in the cigar. I don't believe this either as I have read, on many occasion, that the flawed wrappers of premium cigars are used as binder for ultra premium. One example of this (don;t quote me here, going by memory) is the flawed wrappers of the La Aurora 1495 are used as binder on the La Aurora Cien Anos.
So Dave, in a nutshell I really have no idea :r
I do believe that a Lancero will have more wrapper flavors than a Robusto but I can't back up why I feel that way.
Emjaysmash
The Hebrew Hammer
Dave,
This is something that I have always been a bit confused about. I feel that thinner cigars allow you to taste the wrapper more. I think this is due to them having less filler than a larger cigar.
My thought process on this is kind of confusing even to myself so please don't mind the jumbled info below.
Lets say for example we have three cigars.
Cigar 1 = 38 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 2 = 50 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 3 = 54 Ring x 7.00 Length
Lets break down the dimensions
Cigar 1 = 38/64 x 7.00 or 0.59375 x 7.00
Cigar 2 = 50/64 x 7.00 or 0.78125 x 7.00
Cigar 3 = 54/64 x 7.00 or 0.85375 x 7.00
Taking those numbers, lets translate to surface area
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches
Now lets break each cigar into volume, or tobaccos contained within
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches
This is the point where I begin to get confused. Generating a ratio between Surface Area to Volume seems a bit odd in my mind. Up to this point I've used calculators to generate the numbers for me (please don't get the impression I'm into math
Rather than trying to create a ratio lets just look at the percentages.
Surface Area:
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches = 33.3% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches = 44.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Volume:
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches = 73.2% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches = 101.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Believe it or not, I thought breaking it down like this would make it less confusing for me, boy was I wrong....
Looking at the numbers (which may or may not mean much of anything), we can see that the increase in Wrapper, or Surface Area, is a fairly small increase when compared to Filler, Volume.
As we move from a Lancero and get larger the percentage of Wrapper increases a fairly small amount compared to the filler. If the people that say 80% of a cigars flavor comes from the wrapper are correct we can easily see why.
On a personal note
Since I don't necessarily believe that a generic figure like 80% of all wrapper varieties make up a cigars flavor, I think it all comes down to what filler is used versus the wrapper.
Now if you factor in the binder it gets even worse. I've heard people say that binder accounts for virtually no flavor in the cigar. I don't believe this either as I have read, on many occasion, that the flawed wrappers of premium cigars are used as binder for ultra premium. One example of this (don;t quote me here, going by memory) is the flawed wrappers of the La Aurora 1495 are used as binder on the La Aurora Cien Anos.
So Dave, in a nutshell I really have no idea :r
I do believe that a Lancero will have more wrapper flavors than a Robusto but I can't back up why I feel that way.
.... lol. How much time did you spend writing that up? D@mn, man!LOL. I dunno if Dave expected this sort of response.
Thanks!
I dislike the misconception that all cigar smokers are nerds.....
Thanks a lot for validating that one buddy!!!!
:r
Thanks a lot for validating that one buddy!!!!
:r
Dave,
This is something that I have always been a bit confused about. I feel that thinner cigars allow you to taste the wrapper more. I think this is due to them having less filler than a larger cigar.
My thought process on this is kind of confusing even to myself so please don't mind the jumbled info below.
Lets say for example we have three cigars.
Cigar 1 = 38 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 2 = 50 Ring x 7.00 Length
Cigar 3 = 54 Ring x 7.00 Length
Lets break down the dimensions
Cigar 1 = 38/64 x 7.00 or 0.59375 x 7.00
Cigar 2 = 50/64 x 7.00 or 0.78125 x 7.00
Cigar 3 = 54/64 x 7.00 or 0.85375 x 7.00
Taking those numbers, lets translate to surface area
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches
Now lets break each cigar into volume, or tobaccos contained within
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches
This is the point where I begin to get confused. Generating a ratio between Surface Area to Volume seems a bit odd in my mind. Up to this point I've used calculators to generate the numbers for me (please don't get the impression I'm into math
Rather than trying to create a ratio lets just look at the percentages.
Surface Area:
Cigar 1 = 13.61 Square Inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 18.14 Square inches = 33.3% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 19.67 Square inches = 44.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Volume:
Cigar 1 = 1.94 Cubic inches = Base
Cigar 2 = 3.36 Cubic Inches = 73.2% Increase over Cigar 1
Cigar 3 = 3.91 Cubic Inches = 101.5% Increase over Cigar 1
Believe it or not, I thought breaking it down like this would make it less confusing for me, boy was I wrong....
Looking at the numbers (which may or may not mean much of anything), we can see that the increase in Wrapper, or Surface Area, is a fairly small increase when compared to Filler, Volume.
As we move from a Lancero and get larger the percentage of Wrapper increases a fairly small amount compared to the filler. If the people that say 80% of a cigars flavor comes from the wrapper are correct we can easily see why.
On a personal note
Since I don't necessarily believe that a generic figure like 80% of all wrapper varieties make up a cigars flavor, I think it all comes down to what filler is used versus the wrapper.
Now if you factor in the binder it gets even worse. I've heard people say that binder accounts for virtually no flavor in the cigar. I don't believe this either as I have read, on many occasion, that the flawed wrappers of premium cigars are used as binder for ultra premium. One example of this (don;t quote me here, going by memory) is the flawed wrappers of the La Aurora 1495 are used as binder on the La Aurora Cien Anos.
So Dave, in a nutshell I really have no idea :r
I do believe that a Lancero will have more wrapper flavors than a Robusto but I can't back up why I feel that way.
Amen to that!! Me and a friend of mine was in BW3 one day sat down at the bar and lit up. We notice that the manager came over and said something to the bartender. Nothing was ever said to us. We finished and left. The next time we went in it was clearly posted "no cigars allowed." But smoking cigarettes are. Who knows what this world is coming.:ss
Hey, I never said I wasn't guilty of spreading a misconception or two :r
Psst. Igor. They are illegal. That's not a misconception.
:tpd:While there are some cigars that do stink (and the taste pretty bad too) I'd rather smell cigar smoke than cigarette smoke.
How about the misconception that there are only two kind of men who smoke cigars - 1. Old rich guys who can afford to light their cigars with $20 dollar bills. And, 2. Ignorant red necks who buy cheap cigars at the drug store.
Sauer Grapes
Entrepierna del Fuego
In reference to Dave's original question, using your calculations as well.
It seems fairly obvious that, all else equal, a smaller ring gauge cigar's wrapper will impart quite a bit more flavor to the overall profile than a larger RG cigar. If you check the surface area to volume ratio of each variety in your calculations it would seem to support this.
As you said, that doesn't solve the 80% question at all though.