Haier Wine Cooler

TT check this out
http://www.compactappliance.com/xq/...RY/iMainCat.22/iSubCat.34/qx/Wine_Cellars.htm

I just bought the Edgestar 28 bottle TE unit. I paid 185 total for it, but they are just up the road from me (no shipping but state taxes). I have a Johnson's A419 on the way, and I built 3 spanish cedar shelves. I have 3 trays with singles on the top shelf (which really takes a lot of room), and about 6 boxes in there now. I will probably remove the middle shelve to fit in a few more boxes, I think it will hold 10 or 12, with the trays. Toss in some 65% beads and ready to go.
Check the site, they sometimes have specials, I saw the Avanti 28 bottle TE for around 120 once.

Good luck.
 
The scratch and dent model sold on eBay is from Compact Appliance. As I have stated in a earlier post for a $169.00 delivered it is a good price. Just go through the adv. and read what the damage is. Mine had small dents to the lt. rear corner, that was very minor and didn't effect the operation, and since I couldn't find them at all in Ca. they are a good deal. Here is the link
http://cgi.ebay.com/Avanti-28Bottle...585285933QQcategoryZ71264QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 
Mr. M, I know egg-zackly what you're talking about in terms of the temp controller; this sounds like something I can accomplish when the time comes.

Gentlemen, thanks again for your input. I probably won't be making this purchase for a while, but it's nice to get all the info you can beforehand so you know what to look for.
 
I love my Haier in the winter when the outside humidity and temp are low. Problems with high humidity in the summer when the compressor kicks on a bunch. I was stable all winter 65/65 then when we got the first warm front my humidity resettled at 72. I took out my 65 beads and ran a hair dryer over them and it didn't help. The temp dropped outside last week and I was okay again. I guess I should have used a haier dryer instead of a hair dryer?
 
colgate said:
I guess I should have used a haier dryer instead of a hair dryer?
Quick! Somebody get this man a rimshot! :r

But seriously - how long have you had your cooler (is this a trend?), and where in the house do you keep it (location maybe makes a difference?)?
 
Hiya TT, Even though it is a cooler I must say I keep mine in the coolest room which is a finished basement. The only thing to really remember is that the warmer the room is that the wine cooler is in the more frequently it will cycle on. I actually don't even have mine plugged in right now because the basement stays around 60 at the low end and only rises when I tunr the heat up to 70 or so. I don't plan on plugging it in unless I need to this summer. So there is some food for thought.
 
stogie_kanobie_one said:
Hiya TT, Even though it is a cooler I must say I keep mine in the coolest room which is a finished basement. The only thing to really remember is that the warmer the room is that the wine cooler is in the more frequently it will cycle on. I actually don't even have mine plugged in right now because the basement stays around 60 at the low end and only rises when I tunr the heat up to 70 or so. I don't plan on plugging it in unless I need to this summer. So there is some food for thought.
Hmm. I unfortunately do not have a cool basement - but that's the reason I'm scoping these things out, because aside from the garage there really are no rooms in the house here that will support "ideal" conditions for storage. Garage might work though - if I can find a spot... :rolleyes:
 
colgate said:
I guess I should have used a haier dryer instead of a hair dryer?
I have to think - not my strong suit; it's a great shift of wit which deserves a RG bump; on the other hand, it's still an unforgiveable pun - which calls for a fourple ding at least according to the by-laws.:D
 
TT not at all. If you don't have a cool spot then that is exactly the reason you invest in something like that. I'm just fortunate I have it. Assuming that you care for the environment inside the wine cooler the cycling on and off is not your enemy, just something I look at since it was an option. Beleive me I had my wine coolerdor in my office under my desk right near the baseboard heating ;) just so I could gawk at my lovely smokes. But alas logic took ove rand I moved it. For me it only made sense. If I did not have that as an option it would still be sitting in my office.
 
I have been puzzled by reports of coolers employing storage trays and maintaining steady and favorable humidity conditions for cigars. If this is the case I must assume that the cooler never actually cycles "on" or that rh is monitored not from an open tray but from within a closed cigar box. Or I’ve missed something else... Which is it?

Observations show modest temperature changes can, predictably(cliky), cause considerable fluctuations in relative humidity. At the lower limit temperature changes are quite sufficient to condense water inside a cooler. You do not want a puddle in a cooler and you don't have to have one.

After a few months of fiddling with a 49-bottle cooler and reading others reports I have come to my own conclusions:

a) Locate a cooler in the lowest ambient temperature location possible no matter how slick a location you have to give up;
b) if it's situated in a place so cool (like in a basement) that the refrigeration never runs, you're in great shape;
c) if you have a place cool enough to avoid refrigeration cycling and you bought an expensive airtight refrigerated box you might have more money than brains;
d) if your cooler will be cycling, keep cigars inside closed boxes or they will be busy making humidity changes;
e) I can't say it's bad for cigars to experience wide rh swings that may average to a desired number - but they'll be busy either way;
f) use of a temperature controller (like the A419) is needed if a cooler must cycle but won't stay warm enough with its own thermostat;
g) location of a controller temperature sensor matters greatly if the cooler doesn't have a circulating fan;
h) a 1-degree differential setting means a 1-degree change in the cooler temp if a fan is operating and change of 5-degrees (or more) with no fan;
i) rh established at 68% can swing from 74% to 55% in a cooler as refrigeration cycles to meet a 1-degree temperature differential;
j) all-in-all, a good circulating fan is a good idea to reduce all kinds of problems, like bumping into the dew point and pooling water;
k) a cooler full of boxes (full or empty) aids stability - the more temperature and moisture holding mass, the better;
l) mass in the cooler (boxes, bricks, rocks, whatever) occupies otherwise troublesome voids and will smooth out temperature and humidity crests and troughs.


(It would seem that a quick-reacting active humidification system is reduced to pointlessness in a place where the temperature varies enough to provoke condensation; if temperature varies from above to below the dew point then active humidification can't provide much advantage - it's going to get stupid and get things wet - unless you can set it very low.)

For moisture management I find an oasis foam slab with a lot of surface area showing (wetted with h20/PG) works well. Perfectly, in fact, if rh is being measured from within a closed cigar box AND stasis is first achieved when refrigeration is not cycling. The trick with foam/water is to not over wet the foam which subsequently elevates rh above a desired target. It is easy to over wet foam as most credo lovers discover sooner or later. When credo foam is saturated there follows a cycle of "dry out the foam" and "leave the humi lid open" until things get back under 70% and you start all over again. Rather than create a soggy mess with lots of cigars and cigar boxes in a cooler, just move along slowly from the outset. Remember, you're starting with an effectively airtight box; unless you leave the door open all the time then making significant humidity changes inside the box actually takes some work.

I have used three methods that keep a cooler very much in balance (65% - my target). One (The Giant Credo) is easy and detail oriented while the other (Hairspray) is easy and lacks details. Third is the Mutant, or Hybrid which is a little of each.

1) Giant Credo. Add water to a slab of slightly wetted foam at a measured rate of not more than two ounces per 48-72hours for a large cooler (1-ounce for a smaller one). My 49-bottle cooler is well serviced by a single block of oasis foam (about the size of a common brick) parked on a tupperware lid. After adding water and returning the foam to the cooler for a couple of days you'll soon see the moisture level climb slowly. As rh elevates to the desired level inside a monitored cigar box you'll find your equilibrium point. If you over shoot the desired moisture level, it shouldn't be by much. Initially target a level a few points lower than your desired rh - that way if you over shoot, none the worse. You may ultimately add one additional ounce to accommodate frequent opening of the cooler door if you're that way. Finally, you can weigh the block (and the tray it sits on, if you want) and you'll know thereafter exactly how much water is required, by weight or by liquid measure, to keep your system stable. I found that, starting from 68% rh, each two-ounces of water added to (or removed from) the foam raised (or lowered) rh by about 1%. If you go through this simple exercise without the troubles caused by ongoing refrigeration cycles, you'll now be fine (give or take a point or two inside the cigar boxes) when the cooler is running. If, over a few weeks of cooler operation and door-openings you see rh% falling, weigh the block and add water accordingly - or just add the requisite ounces to elevate rh to the desired level. It is quite predictable.

2) Idiot Easy Hairspray Method - The cooler is just an airtight box until you open the door (more or less), right? Are you putting boxes into the cooler that are already correctly humidified? That's good. Clean a spray bottle of any contamination; fill it with distilled water; spray a fine mist inside the full cooler, 10 squirts maybe, each time you open/close the door. If rh stays good after a week or two, keeping doing that when you open the door. If rh is moving too high quit squirting for a while. If rh is getting too low... you'll figure it out. The idiot hairspray squirt method works very well but it is not for obsessive-compulsive types. If you're casual about rh%, it works fine. If you're anal about rh in your humi, this method will make you very uncomfortable.

As I was trying to get the Giant Credo method figured out I was using a sprayer to get things in balance. In the end, a fine mist sprayer is probably all you need unless you're in and out of the humi 10-times day. I thought I'd settled for the Giant Credo. Set it; forget it. What I finally did (really) was to employ a Giant Credo/Hairspray Mutant Hybrid Method. After I had things smooth with the Credo for a few weeks (without, then with refrigeration) I started spraying instead of measuring. If rh ever drops below 63% I'll spray harder; if it ever goes above 68%... well, I just won't give the bastiche the pleasure.

Here is an untried notion, but one that is textile-ly and theoretically sound – I call it the Dew Point Insurance Policy for People Already Puddling. Affix with Velcro to the cooler wall hiding the refrigeration coil a panel of fine denier, tightly woven 100% polyester. Not cotton. Not nylon. Not polypropylene. Not acrylic . Ok – maybe acrylic. But not knitted – gotta be woven. Don’t know what this is or where to get it? Try any fabric store, ask your wife, mother or ask your neighbors wife (or mother). Fine filament, tightly woven polyester will cool quickly, wick and distribute condensate, and (best of all – woo hoo) release moisture quickly as it warms a degree above the dew point. This process should prevent moisture from condensing on the back wall of your cooler.

In fact, moisture does not condense on my cooler interior – at least not enough to accumulate and puddle. I attribute this to effective* air circulation throughout the cooler and, consequentially, over the temperature controller sensor. A small (1-degree) differential setting probably helps, too.

I suggest the Giant Credo Method, Hairspray Method, or Credo/Hairspray Hybrid. I have no beads - they might be the greatest thing since sliced bread for a winecooler - but I didn't have beads and didn't need them. I had a $3.00 piece of foam, some water, little PG and a clean hairsprayer and it worked just right. So far.

And a Johnson A419. And the cooler, of course. And the little fan.

And a lot of cigars.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

*Hawaiian Breeze Personal Fan (110VAC), Target, $5.99
 
TTgirl said:
I was poking around Target today and saw a Haier 12-bottle capacity Countertop Wine Cellar. I'm trying to get some additional info on it by doing some online searching, but does anyone have any personal experience with this model? You all are talking about fan setups and stuff like that on this thread, but it would seem that most of you have the larger models.

Or maybe it would be worth it to hold off for a larger cooler? I really like the idea of being able to control temp and humidity, especially with the collection growing and summer just around the corner.

Thanks in advance!
I was negative (if not dismissive) of the 12-bottle cooler. I have slightly re-thought my position.

I was at Tar-zhay yesterday and saw a 12-bottle cooler for, I believe, $60. It was horizontal storage, wider than tall, which is good. Looked like it'd hold 3-4 boxes of smokes, some credo, an Oust fan - call it a 100+/ct. That's not bad for $60. Without a temp controller (the $75 add-on which it may not even need) it'd still do the job of a conventional humi at worst - maybe better - for a fair price.

If the storage size is right, it looked pretty darn good. Not so big it's hard to move around. Seems like the worst thing it could do is make your smokes a little too cool during the hot weather, which is not exactly a catastrophe. When you're out of hot weather just pull the plug - stable, airtight storage.

It looked better in person.
 
I said:
Here is an untried notion... Affix with Velcro to the cooler wall hiding the refrigeration coil a panel of fine denier, tightly woven 100% polyester... Fine filament, tightly woven polyester will cool quickly, wick and distribute condensate, and ... release moisture quickly as it warms a degree above the dew point. This process should prevent moisture from condensing on the back wall of your cooler.

In fact, moisture does not condense on my cooler...
In fact, that was totally wrong - moisture was pooling below the cooling plate. I just hadn't noticed the puddle accumulating.

I applied polyester fabric to the cooling plate and, with a fan running, it absolutely speeds up release of condensed moisture to the air. It grabs moisture when it's cold and releases it quickly as it warms. The rh inside cigar boxes is still +/1% over a period of several days.
 
Back with random thoughts by Jack Handy on my 20 bottle Haier. If you read the older comments you'll know about my plight, but to summarized I have always been bedeviled by RH fluctuations even after redoing the interior. I have all the standard stuff, the beer thermostat and all that but I would see it spike and not be able to understand why.

Sometimes it's the most obvious thing and you just flat miss it. Guess what, I was emptying out empty boxes and if my supply dwindled to 3 or fewer active boxes and I removed all the empties, well that was my mistake. It would slowly accumulate unabsorbed humidity until the unit was overwhelmed. It would spike as high as 74 using a couple pounds of 65 beads.

Anyway, once I refilled the Haier with empty boxes to fill it up somewhat, not packed but you know 7 or 8 boxes all has stabilized at 62 to 67 RH. The extra empties stabilized my Haier. Anyway thought ot pass that along. For pictures of my setup check my gallery.
 
Only problem might be if you pull out a 60 degree cigar in a humid environment and it absorbs water. Just smoke quick.
 
dartsinsa said:

I bought an Edgstar about 3 months ago and have had the worst luck with it. I stopped working on me twice in the last month, Good thing I didn't throw out my old cooler. I had to transfer my goodies to the old cooler. The Edgestr does look kinda tacky actually. I willl give my wife some hints about getting me something really premo on my b'day. I am also quite displeased with Compact Appliance, try returning an Edgstr you buy from them, it is next to impossible, they just insist that Edgestar products are the best and will only offer you a replacement. What part of "I just don't want your defective products" do they not understand!?

anyway that's my rant for the day. sounds like some of you guys have had better luck
 
Well I have recently put together my Haier Cooler-a-dor.
I am using beads with PG to avoid mold problems, the rh has held pretty steady at around 65%rh.
I don't run it because in my basement it stays pretty cool, around 65-68 degrees...

I figured using a 20 bottle cooler would be enough, But in no time I have this thing full, and I still have more boxes I want to get.

My advice is that what ever you think you may need, go bigger, Because you will use that extra space. I have another Haier.. But that has my vintage champagne in it. So now I am thinking I need to get a bigger wine cooler.
Not a bad thing, I figure I can can use one for cigars ready to smoke, and another for cigars that are for aging. I am not in a huge rush yet, but I know the time will come.

So remember.. always go bigger!!!! than what you think you will need.

Deez
 
Revised opinion about coolers and humidy control:

I took out the humidity device (foam/pg) and watched a dress box and a cab interior for weeks - they held +/- 1%. Opening the door a few times over the period of a week or so forced a slow drop about 1% per week.

When the boxes finally hit 63% (low of 62%) I started spraying distilled water from a plant mister into the cooler - 5 squirts/day. Two days later the monitored boxes were back around 65%.

As far as I can see this drain-plugged, well sealed cooler holds pretty steady humidity inside all the boxes. Five sprays from a misting bottle raises rh in boxes by 1%. I'm not sure there's much merit to foam, an electric Oasis or beads in a cooler with a good seal on the door and drain. This plant sprayer thing is easy and very precise if you do a bit at a time and match your "sprays/month" to the humidty needs of the mass in the cooler.

Plant sprayer $1.49 at the grocery store; I probably overpaid for the distilled water.
 
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