I nubbed a nub today!

Ozone89 said:
How are white Owl grapes bad? Did you have one before?
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I have had the regular and I don't think covering with grape flavor can make it any better. But I can see where it could be worse. :tu

If I said they were the chit, would you go buy and smoke one? Maybe or maybe not. Well same thing when it comes to nubs and I'm in the maybe not category.
 
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So I shouldn't try one, because you said they are covered in grape, and they MUST be bad?

Not trying to pick a fight but.. If you never tried that cigar before..I don't understand how it can be bad then? what's so bad about it..it being grape flavored? If you don't like grape that's fine..but for someone who does..are you giving them a fair review of something you never tried in the first place?

All I said was..a person can't rip on the Nub (flavor wise) if they never tried it..and that's not an opinion like you stated..it's a fact.
 
Ozone89 said:
So I shouldn't try one, because you said they are covered in grape, and they MUST be bad? Thanks for putting that much power into my words but no, that is my opinion. You can't seem to grasp that.

Not trying to pick a fight but.. If you never tried that cigar before..I don't understand how it can be bad then? what's so bad about it..it being grape flavored? If you don't like grape that's fine..but for someone who does..are you giving them a fair review of something you never tried in the first place?

Again, I refer to my opinion. Isn't that what all reviews are? . :r

All I said was..a person can't rip on the Nub (flavor wise) if they never tried it..and that's not an opinion like you stated..it's a fact.

Again, I will not try it because its a frickin jaw-breaker! A cigar that large does not feel comfortable to me. Even if it was the greatest tasting cigar in the world, why should a I smoke a cigar that I am uncomfortable with? The Cohiba Sublime, Padron 7000 anything over 54 is in this same category for me but you don't see people getting so defensive about that do you? ;)
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Soooo defensive.
 
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Ozone89 said:
So I shouldn't try one, because you said they are covered in grape, and they MUST be bad?

Not trying to pick a fight but.. If you never tried that cigar before..I don't understand how it can be bad then? what's so bad about it..it being grape flavored? If you don't like grape that's fine..but for someone who does..are you giving them a fair review of something you never tried in the first place?

All I said was..a person can't rip on the Nub (flavor wise) if they never tried it..and that's not an opinion like you stated..it's a fact.
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The Watermelon is better. I have at minimum 10 people who will testify to the fact that weed tastes better when rolled with watermelon than with grape. :w


On a serious note....Some of y'all need to grow the hell up. If nubbin' is your thing, then nub to your hearts content. As far as forming an opinion on something someone's never tried......Well, I've never eaten horseshit before, but I can say with relative certainty I don't care for it. Those that like nubs are shouting it from the rooftops, which is fine. It should be just as fine for those who are anti-nub commenting on their opinions. There's some people here that could take a gnat pissing in the wind, and make a big deal out of it.
 
So now a 54 ring gauge is considered a jaw breaker? lol

You have some issues there pal..I don't wish to play your games. I don't come to message boards to pick fights ..so you can stop puffing your chest out..you win.
 
Mtmouse said:
Sam's first post.
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I'm glad you posted that link. I'd like everyone who has jumped on the nub bandwagon to read the last part of his post especially. I'm glad that he finds these boards so important, so important that he hasn't been on at all to answer any of these threads. In fact, his last few posts came for the contest before the launch. Where is Sam now? Not here, I can tell you that. He used this place to promote his launch, not become a member of the community.

Someone brought up Taboo and Pepin. The folks at Taboo have been active on the boards here, answering questions, addressing problems, all in all showing themselves to be good people and good additions to the community. Neither Rob at Taboo or Pepin claim their cigars have discovered the magical good part of the tobacco leaf. They aren't claiming to be the second coming of the cigar world, unlike Sam and the "this changes everything" crap. There are alot of guy and gals who have been smoking cigars for a long time and seen this sort of thing during the boom years. If anyone here believes the bs backstory behind this brand, i've got some prime florida swamp land I want to sell ya :D I mean, c'mon does anybody really believe the first 1/4 of the cigar is boring? I can't even begin to tell you how many times i've thought, and been told, that the first puff is the best puff. Is there an exact science to this stuff that Sam has figured out which has eluded the cigar community? I think not.

It's been brought up that I should smoke one before I pass judgement. I disagree. In fact, I think that's a pretty dumb thing to say. Sam has used the jungle, his cigars don't appeal to me (too big and short!), the pt barnum like backstory turns me off, i'm not that big of a fan of olivia prodcuts to begin with, and two botls I trust with similar tastes have said they are bad. Sorry if i'm less than enthused on jumping into the nub train. And why should I support a product who's business practices I disagree with?

Someone else said that these kind of posts are negatively effecting their enjoyment of the nubs. Well, if that's the case, you need to haul ass off these forums and go hide in a dark corner somewhere. I've been on cigars boards for the last five years or so and there isn't one cigar I enjoy personaly that hasn't been ripped before. Grow a thicker skin :2

I have been very vocal about this because I want the jungle to know about the bs surrounding this brand. How many new smokers might be swayed by Sam's slick marketing and fancy band? How many people missed the orignal outburst? Alot, judging by the amount of pms i've gotten about the issue. Klugs said it best, nub is a product of emarketing. What are the hot trends right now, robustos, and fat cigars. What is the nub? A short fat robusto. Wow. Original. Been done before, despite what Sam claims.

So in the end, if I sway just one person away from buying nub cigars, I think i've done my job as a responsible member of this fine community. Nobody uses my home and my extended family here without getting an earfull from me :D
 
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VirtualSmitty said:
I'm glad you posted that link. I'd like everyone who has jumped on the nub bandwagon to read the last part of his post especially. I'm glad that he finds these boards so important, so important that he hasn't been on at all to answer any of these threads. In fact, his last few posts came for the contest before the launch. Where is Sam now?

On the road meeting people in person, like me.


Sam has used the jungle,

I don't see how. I believe the sequence of events was more like; we as members started talking about Nubs and Sam joined to answer our questions.

Someone else said that these kind of posts are negatively effecting their enjoyment of the nubs. Well, if that's the case, you need to haul ass off these forums and go hide in a dark corner somewhere. I've been on cigars boards for the last five years or so and there isn't one cigar I enjoy personaly that hasn't been ripped before. Grow a thicker skin :2

At no time did I say enjoyment of Nubs. It was smoking cigars. 19 years as a cop....my skin is pretty thick.



I have been very vocal about this because I want the jungle to know about the bs surrounding this brand. How many new smokers might be swayed by Sam's slick marketing and fancy band? How many people missed the orignal outburst?

Again, this was a private conversation, not directed at you or I. I revert back to the original link. Since that's was how he presented himself, to me ; that's how I will judge him.

So in the end, if I sway just one person away from buying nub cigars, I think i've done my job as a responsible member of this fine community. Nobody uses my home and takes advantage of my extended family here without getting an earfull from me :D

Sorry, but I don't see how he 'used' this community.
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Sorry I thought I was done with this topic....but sometimes I can't help myself.:D

Respectfully submitted.
 
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Sam used CS as a marketing tool to promote his brand then jumped ship. Did you miss that part of my post? Don't feed me that crap that's he's on the road. I'm traveling all the time, I have a laptop. Logging in for five minutes doesn't take alot of effort. If he was just going to casually answer questions, he wouldn't have a forum set up for him..

Also, thank you for ignoring all I wrote about about the bullshit backstory. I'm glad you buy into the nub theory :rolleyes:
 
VirtualSmitty said:
Sam used CS as a marketing tool to promote his brand then jumped ship. Did you miss that part of my post? Don't feed me that crap that's he's on the road. I'm traveling all the time,

Good, maybe you'll get a chance to bump into him on the road, then you can form your own opinion...based on your real experience.

Also, thank you for ignoring all I wrote about about the bullshit backstory. I'm glad you buy into the nub theory

I read your whole post. I'm not 'buying' into any theory. I'm judging people on how they interact with me(not third hand info). And I'm judging a cigar after I tried it.

Since I've had the opportunity to speak with Sam in person and I read his original post, this is how I judge him. Since I had the opportunity to smoke the cigars, I can give an educated opinion(based on my taste and preference).
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I can live with people, saying they are not interested in trying the cigar because they don't like large RG cigars.

I guess we can agree to disagree. I just wish people would pass judgment on 'their' real life experiences.
 
Mtmouse said:
I guess we can agree to disagree. I just wish people would pass judgment on 'their' real life experiences.
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Let me ask you a question. Would you buy and support a product who's business practices rubbed you the wrong way? Your a cop right? Read this thread it's about ice cream:

http://www.clubstogie.com/vb/showthread.php?t=50821&highlight=ben-jerry&page=3

Now, I actually like Ben and Jerries ice cream, but after reading what tom posted I never bought another tub. I simply will not support a company who operates in a manner that I find distastefull, even if their product is good. I don't need to try the product to form an opinion of the brand.
 
Just to clarify the above post. I am in no way linking what what B&J did back to Olivia. I was just using it as a personal example of how a companies actions do effect my decisions making, despite the product offered. I posted it very early in the morning, in hindsight perhaps not the best example, but the only one posted on the forum I could think of. Apologies if it it was misconstrued as an attack. And for the record I have no beef with Olivia, just Sam and his emarketing.

And for those who think i'm being too harsh on nub, I received this from Jose Olivia this morning:

Jose Olivia
I have read this entire thread and find nothing said here to be outside the realm of a healthy debate. Congratulations on having such a robust and vibrant community. As far as NUB jokes, all is fair in love and war. When we put a product out for approval we also expose it to differing opinions.
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My hope is that perhaps this will filter back to Sam and he will come back and address some of the critism being levied his way.
 
At 1st I wasn't going to try the nub simply based on the large RG (just not my thing) However these kinda threads have peaked my interest to go out and buy some. The consent nub debate has got me so intrigued I must try a nub now.

I guess what they say is true...ALL publicity is good publicity...Sam inst selling nubs, these threads are...my :2

Don't hate the NUB.... hate the game.
 
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