papajohn67
Dead Man Walking
And I have a hunch who may come out the winner. IMHO try and make nice first, I can't see pissing on yourself unless you have another place to move that will allow you to smoke on your deck or patio.
New Neighbor hates my cigar smoking
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And I have a hunch who may come out the winner. IMHO try and make nice first, I can't see pissing on yourself unless you have another place to move that will allow you to smoke on your deck or patio.
InBetweenTheLines
Young Ape
Frankly, I'm surprised she can smell the cigar over all the smog 
Your doing her a favor, at her old age she souldn't be outside breathing that stuff in, the smog I mean
Your doing her a favor, at her old age she souldn't be outside breathing that stuff in, the smog I mean BagfullofPings
Aardvark Taxidermist
pro2625,
Does your complex allow smoking?
If yes, YOU WIN!!
If no, YOU LOSE!!
Does your complex allow smoking?
If yes, YOU WIN!!
If no, YOU LOSE!!
I see no reason or benefit to being aggressive in this situation. It is also not likely you are going to "convert" them with niceties. Their choice to close the door and windows is not likely an act of hostility. If you live below them, you would likely hear the door closing whether or not it was due to your cigar smoking.
Being openly hostile as many have suggested, will only lead to bad thing for you. There are many more non-cigar smokers who could easily get together and petition the landlord not to renew your lease. Let them express their dissatisfaction with your habit in the way they choose. Their actions currently have no effect on your behavior so be happy and have a smoke. :2
Being openly hostile as many have suggested, will only lead to bad thing for you. There are many more non-cigar smokers who could easily get together and petition the landlord not to renew your lease. Let them express their dissatisfaction with your habit in the way they choose. Their actions currently have no effect on your behavior so be happy and have a smoke. :2
outlawhendrix
Young Ape
Just start listining to death metal as loud as possible and they will stop caring about the smoke.
LANTSailor
Underwater gorilla
He might win the smoking point, but once you start a feud things generally escalate.
Piss off your neighbors in community housing and they'll watch like hawks to document a string of relatively minor breaches of contract. Those'll get you characterized as a "problem tenant" and can get you evicted or the management simply doesn't renew your lease. The more people you piss off or your neighbors know, the worse it gets and the faster it goes.
Belmont, CA has already banned smoking in apts and condos and CA in general isn't all that friendly to smoking to begin with. So, you can take on the neighbors, win this minor battle and still lose the war.
I think it would be far better to talk to the neighbors and see if there isn't a compromise possible.
About 15-20 years ago, when I was in my mid-thirties, I was single & ran a local party bar. My life was dominated by approx 3 priorities; work, partying, & women. Despite my lifestyle, I maintained an amicable relationship with my neighbors.
Although my name was on the lease, I had to take in roomates to afford my fast lane lifestyle.
One of them took to parking in front of the elderly ladie's house across the street. I honestly hadn't noticed, or hadn't thought about it.
One day the elderly ladie's daughter approached me on the street. She told me a story of how her mother was elderly, in ill health, & how they tried to keep the parking space in front of her house clear for transportation pick ups & possible ambulance parking.
I told her I was certainly sorry & that she didn't have to worry about me parking in front of her house. She informed me that my roomate did & I told her I would talk to him about it. She then informed me that she already had & he had told her to "f*ck off."
I was completely mortified to learn of his insensitivity, crudeness to a neighbor, & my direct relationship to a situation that caused my neighbor discomfort. The next time I talked to my roomate, I was on him like stink on an outhouse corncob.
We all have rights of course, but I would council our responses to be fueled by reason & goodwill. Try to look at the other person's perspective before we let the testosterone take over. I am with Texan in Mexico & MCS on this one.
Although my name was on the lease, I had to take in roomates to afford my fast lane lifestyle.
One of them took to parking in front of the elderly ladie's house across the street. I honestly hadn't noticed, or hadn't thought about it.
One day the elderly ladie's daughter approached me on the street. She told me a story of how her mother was elderly, in ill health, & how they tried to keep the parking space in front of her house clear for transportation pick ups & possible ambulance parking.
I told her I was certainly sorry & that she didn't have to worry about me parking in front of her house. She informed me that my roomate did & I told her I would talk to him about it. She then informed me that she already had & he had told her to "f*ck off."
I was completely mortified to learn of his insensitivity, crudeness to a neighbor, & my direct relationship to a situation that caused my neighbor discomfort. The next time I talked to my roomate, I was on him like stink on an outhouse corncob.
We all have rights of course, but I would council our responses to be fueled by reason & goodwill. Try to look at the other person's perspective before we let the testosterone take over. I am with Texan in Mexico & MCS on this one.
mosesbotbol
Elder Jungle Leader
You should start cleaning your guns outside and give him a wave.
I know my smoking must be a little unpleasent for my neighbors, but I never complain about their things I do not like, so fair is fair.
You have to have respect and little communication on both sides goes a long way.
I know my smoking must be a little unpleasent for my neighbors, but I never complain about their things I do not like, so fair is fair.
You have to have respect and little communication on both sides goes a long way.
This is the way I look at it. I live in an Apartment therefore I know I can't do everything that I can in or out a house. Music can't be as loud. I can't be as loud. And I can't smoke without irritating some people. So I try to smoke as little as possible. Sure, it sucks, but I find other ways to smoke. I'll go for a walk with a cigar. I'll go to the B&M. I'll hang a buddies backyard. I'll go to a HERF.
I realize that by living in an apartment I can't have everything. Everyone is different and most people don't like smoking. Yeah it sucks but you can't change their opinion. You don't have to quit but don't light up like a chimney. Treat your neighbors well and most of the time they'll do the same.
I realize that by living in an apartment I can't have everything. Everyone is different and most people don't like smoking. Yeah it sucks but you can't change their opinion. You don't have to quit but don't light up like a chimney. Treat your neighbors well and most of the time they'll do the same.
I can see a little of the passive side of this, but in all honesty, not much. And I will tell you why:
As cigars smokers we have been on the whipping post for far too long. I'll even go so far to say that being passive to the anti smoking is representative of a far larger problem of the whole political correct, nanny state that infects a large segment of our society. Look at what has happened to Europe in it's appeasement of Islam. Think that's a stretch? I don't because not standing up for your core beliefs is what we are talking about here. I, for one am tired of certain groups telling me what to believe, say and write so as not to offend anyone. Well, I find that offensive.
This is America -Land of the free (used to be) home of the brave (fewer all the time)
As for Saka's story, he's free do to as he saw fit. However, as a cigar smoker, I say he hurts our rights by caving in and putting out his cigar.
If it was a smoking area of the restaurant - LET THEM MOVE. I would have enjoyed nothing more than seeing some stuffed shirt who is used to always getting his way, to have to suck it up and pack up his plastic, store bought trophy babe AND MOVE!
Just my :2
Mark
As cigars smokers we have been on the whipping post for far too long. I'll even go so far to say that being passive to the anti smoking is representative of a far larger problem of the whole political correct, nanny state that infects a large segment of our society. Look at what has happened to Europe in it's appeasement of Islam. Think that's a stretch? I don't because not standing up for your core beliefs is what we are talking about here. I, for one am tired of certain groups telling me what to believe, say and write so as not to offend anyone. Well, I find that offensive.
This is America -Land of the free (used to be) home of the brave (fewer all the time)
As for Saka's story, he's free do to as he saw fit. However, as a cigar smoker, I say he hurts our rights by caving in and putting out his cigar.
If it was a smoking area of the restaurant - LET THEM MOVE. I would have enjoyed nothing more than seeing some stuffed shirt who is used to always getting his way, to have to suck it up and pack up his plastic, store bought trophy babe AND MOVE!
Just my :2
Mark
I concur with you 100%.....Im here in kommifornia standing up for my gun rights everyday there is no way I wont stand up for my smoking rights also...
That's what :alis for.
BagfullofPings
Aardvark Taxidermist
Well said!!
They need love too!
So do dirty old men!:bn
I don't know if I should even voice my opinion, but I think a bit of tact needs to be used. While I agree that our rights are rapidly disappearing, I think we need to be careful in how we approach this type of issue. It's majority rule, and sadly we are a minority. As long as any issue is subject to a vote, I think it behooves us as smokers to ingratiate ourselves when possible. We'll never recover the ground we've lost,that doesn't mean we need to cede more.
As it's been said...just my :2
As it's been said...just my :2
Major Captain Silly
Poker for the troops
I'm not saying he should give up smoking on the patio. I'm saying that extending an olive branch and working out a compromise makes for the possibility of a better relationship with the neighbors. Maybe they'll be impossible to deal with and then he should just smoke away and not worry about it. I just think when a cigar smoker shows that they are willing to accommodate and work with non-smokers, it makes us look like the civilized party in all of this.
I may be over-sensitive but I notice that actual verbal communication is on the verge of extinction. I think our computers, instant messaging, text messaging, etc are causing us to shy away from conversing and working out reasonable solutions to our problems. We're awful quick to go on the offensive.
Please understand this comes from a guy that has seen his share of bar fights and has suffered a broken nose and some broken knuckles along the way. I guess i've just mellowed with age.
MCS